October Job Adjustments
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October Job Adjustments
I don't want to start a debate of "This DD is better than that DD" because in all honesty, the real answer is the player, not the job.
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Valefor.Sapphire said: » Ramyrez said: » Creecreelo said: » Really nice to see skill increases for many jobs; however, the DD mage in me is definitely disappointed lol Was just hoping for a dagger increase on Brd (B- to B+), a sword increase on Rdm (B to A-), and perhaps staff increases for Smn, Blm, and Sch (up to B+ probably). Now that I look at them, is there even an A- skill rating? Seems like there's only jumps from B+ to A. Oh well, isn't a big deal at all anyways. If red mage got a sword increase and corsair didn't get anything, I may have had a serious meltdown. In-game application is completely moot. It's the principle of the thing. Asura.Kingnobody said: » I don't want to start a debate of "This DD is better than that DD" because in all honesty, the real answer is the player, not the job. The WHM
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Ramyrez said: » Valefor.Sapphire said: » Ramyrez said: » Creecreelo said: » Really nice to see skill increases for many jobs; however, the DD mage in me is definitely disappointed lol Was just hoping for a dagger increase on Brd (B- to B+), a sword increase on Rdm (B to A-), and perhaps staff increases for Smn, Blm, and Sch (up to B+ probably). Now that I look at them, is there even an A- skill rating? Seems like there's only jumps from B+ to A. Oh well, isn't a big deal at all anyways. If red mage got a sword increase and corsair didn't get anything, I may have had a serious meltdown. In-game application is completely moot. It's the principle of the thing. SE just doesn't know how to balance COR, they're afraid of making it so strong that it counts as a ranger and a bard in 1 party slot of something.
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War is only more powerful than sam or mnk under their SPs or with mythic. War has higher base damage and higher base wa damage than SAM but when you add in sc damage, tp bonus, overwhelm, sam damage sinply trounces. In short , war's damage is higher before you factor in all the extra crap sam gets that augments their ws damage. War wouldnt need a haste but like something akin to overwhelm or tp bonus traits and maybe a higher boost to gaxe weapon skills. War should be pushing better ws numbers than sam because its silly for sam to be the best tp gain job, the best ws job, the best sc job. One or two of those max, war should have highest ws potency while sam has the best ws frequency. It just makes more sense that way, and 5% attack on berserk is a nice cherry but its not going to change much. They shoulda added 2% haste on top of it per every 10 levels or 2% ws damage.
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That kind of is the problem with Cor.
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Valefor.Sapphire said: » Ramyrez said: » Valefor.Sapphire said: » Ramyrez said: » Creecreelo said: » Really nice to see skill increases for many jobs; however, the DD mage in me is definitely disappointed lol Was just hoping for a dagger increase on Brd (B- to B+), a sword increase on Rdm (B to A-), and perhaps staff increases for Smn, Blm, and Sch (up to B+ probably). Now that I look at them, is there even an A- skill rating? Seems like there's only jumps from B+ to A. Oh well, isn't a big deal at all anyways. This is the REAL reason. Its also the same reason why they are extremely skeptical about giving GEO too much flexibility with Indicolure and Geomancy, the reasons Luopans still die relatively fast, and the reason why Our Elemental magic doesn't match what SCHs and BLMs can pump out. They want to distinguish the differences, but its still crappy. Cors shoot stuff. Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » That kind of is the problem with COR/DRG/DRK (somewhat). Asura.Kingnobody said: » I don't want to start a debate of "This DD is better than that DD" because in all honesty, the real answer is the player, not the job. and when its not just the player its sam. lets face it, given 3 days to gear a noob or returning player, which job is going to do the most damage in the shortest time. SAM. mnk is a close second. war, drk, drg, etc all need some special weapon or gear that takes time. sam is a sin curve on dps, quick to start then slows down until you get to the end where it jumps up again. the others are a very slow up hill battle to get any decent amount of dps out of them.
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Really wish that the DNC change would be more like the NIN one. Give us an ability that gives our auto-attacks a chance to add a Step. Would be a neat way to get past JA delay and still put debuffs/gain FMs. But either way, at least capping debuffs won't take years now. Just means JA delay city, though.
Anyone who thinks War is in a good place right now is insane.
Also if that Indi spell thing allows for 3 bubbles, the *** is SE thinking. Asura.Failaras said: » Anyone who thinks War is in a good place right now is insane. When a job requires mythic to remain competitive with a Delve 1.0 drop I think that's kind of a red flag.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » Berserk needs like job haste. 30% + merits and JP augments are nice but war is kind of slow compared to mnks and sams. But capped haste? WAR is more powerful than SAMs and MNKs, especially those who are 5 hit WARs with Conqueror. Quote: koga sam can 4 step light forever with am3 and buffs, sup? Bismarck.Inference said: » When a job requires mythic to remain competitive with a Delve 1.0 drop I think that's kind of a red flag. I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( eslim said: » k. With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah. ccl said: I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now. Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around.
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Fasaga said: » Months of waiting for something to equalize War with mnk/Sam and they give us a 5% increase to berserk. What game are they playing? They mentioned developing a new system for Warrior, I highly doubt this is it. Bismarck.Inference said: » When a job requires mythic to remain competitive with a Delve 1.0 drop I think that's kind of a red flag. Tsurumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not. ScaevolaBahamut said: » eslim said: » k. With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah. ccl said: I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now. Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around. They kind of did this by letting a lot of Salvage cheaters get 30k worth of alex in a week or two of farming. There are a lot of new mythics. Sadly most of them belong to cheaters. I think the current mythic dynamic for Sam is pretty good right now, mythic is obviously better but not by an overwhelming amount over Tsurumaru. On the other hand a War with a Minos is going to be absolutely horrible compared to a Conqueuer war.
Cerberus.Tidis said: » Leveling throwing isn't too bad, mine is still pretty low but I've been casually levelling it by using any excuse to throw my boomerang on thf, if I actually tried to skill it up I'd just bring out the moogle trust and have a /ra script on a reive. Play something else and keep peeking over to see that the reive is still up/I'm not dead, job done. ScaevolaBahamut said: » eslim said: » k. With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah. ccl said: I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now. Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around. I want a Nagi but i'm so tired of farming :( Sylph.Safiyyah said: » Bismarck.Inference said: » When a job requires mythic to remain competitive with a Delve 1.0 drop I think that's kind of a red flag. Tsurumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not. ScaevolaBahamut said: » eslim said: » k. With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah. ccl said: I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now. Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around. They kind of did this by letting a lot of Salvage cheaters get 30k worth of alex in a week or two of farming. There are a lot of new mythics. Sadly most of them belong to cheaters. And given the teeny-tiny smack on the wrist they got for their cheating, those of us who didn't cheat feel kinda shitty for not being done by now. -.-;
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ScaevolaBahamut said: » eslim said: » k. With Haste + double March, SAM can reliably self-SC without JAs other than Zanhasso, yeah. ccl said: I fear that the gap between mythic and non mythic dd will be a lot bigger if they don't do something about it, we might not get a tsurumaru on next ilvl :( I would not mind seeing the mythic requirements reduced to the point where making one can seriously be considered mandatory for endgame content. Maybe, like, cut all the different currencies to a third of what they are now. Before everybody huffs and struts around in their big boy pants on me, a major reason the game's so easy right now is that mythics are so powerful, but not attainable enough to balance content around. No....just no. Remember pre-SoA when empy was a requirement to play the job so everyone and their mother live in abyssea for years? Players shouldn't be forced to go back and farm ToAU just to do endgame. Mythic should be a bonus and an option to spend time and money for ppl with too much time/gil, it should never be a requirement for every endgame player.
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Quote: Tsurumaru is just a really well-apportioned weapon. Your statement is true for samurai too. Only Koga really beats Tsurumaru. Amano and Masamune do not. Yes but I think it's kind of overstated. The Save TP's great, yeah, but in practice most SAM gear has so much STP on it that getting 25 TP back on a WS wouldn't involve changing much. I'd WS in the Relic body rather than Phorcys. IMO Amano and Masamune are problematic due to the delay, which is just something particular to those weapons. |
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