Sony Sells 9.5 Million Shares Of Square Enix

You're wrong and you know it so you run away from the discussion lol

How business works:

Create FFXI

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Profit

Praise the sun!

What is step two ? Steady decline of population while saying everything is perfectly fine.

Anyway as parting words, check out what THQ's (an arguably much smaller, much less venerated company with no IPs that match the luster of the name "Final Fantasy") IPs sold for at auction. Imagine what SE's will sell for (Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest...). Think about it for a while.

And while this is all just formulative conjecture, the entire thread was over by the first post, so this sort of food for thought is hardly "stupid conversation", it's more like "I'm bored, and it's fun to try to work out what will happen to some of my favorite gaming IPs if their holder goes *** up".

Proth just laid out what I was trying to get through 2 you. If SE fails it will not be as easy to keep the games going as you think. Even Ea sports has had financial troubles and I can't remember any new IP from them that was awesome. They just rehash old content.

SE is in trouble hopefully they can pull out of it and we won't need to worry but this isn't a hypothetical because like I said In the last 2 month they lost almost 50 percent of their stock value. Add in the losses they reported last 5 years I wouldn't be shocked if they declared bankruptcy or tried to sell off the company if they could.

Also don't think XIV is perfectly safe just cause it's going very well now. The game will be in red for a while still and it's still a gamble to trust in it. If tomorrow the guys with money say that's enough we are not trusting this anymore..Yoshida has said it himself that the game is still walking on thin ice every update, they can't afford mistakes.

tbh, XIV's existing debt won't be a problem to whatever company picks up Final Fantasy since the debt won't carry over to them. They'd still have to overcome the cost of acquiring and setting up the game, though.

I was speaking of the current SE now.

That conversation is still a long way off, while SEs current outlook is bad, they still have room to turn it around, they just need to make better decisions.

In production:
KH3
Bravely Second
Agito

All awesome stuff to me.

All a long way off, anything else coming out this year?

Hopefully 15 does

I wouldn't expect that, E3 will tell us for sure.

I don't think you know what personal bias means. I'm going to make up possibly wildly inaccurate numbers just because I can.

Let's assume it costs The Random Publishing Company $100,000,000 to aquire the Final Fantasy IP. So right now, they're already $10m in the hole. Net Profit, $100m. Let's assume that after server costs, development costs, salaries, etc FFXI nets them $1,000,000 a month, or $12,000,000 a year. One year after acquisition, they're $88,000,000 in the hole. It would take them almost ten years to make a profit. If Squenix goes down, so does FFXI and FFXIV. No company is going to keep those games alive if it's going to take that long to profit.

If you review SE 1 Yr stock prices.
Entire yr 2013 was $11.50.
A spike in Jan 14 had $35.
Current $17.50.
Expected drop 11.50?

Rest of yr has no other title launches.
All TBA.

2013
No mega cash launch releases..

Jan 14 launches
FFXIV port to ps4.
Dragon quest.
Gunslinger stratos 2 jp.

Feb march are dead months.

Sony is smart to uninvest in SE as they are barely breaking even.

Indeed, FFXIV will have to wait 3.0 in order to be safe, or not.

They're merely cooking a concept at the moment, and until 3.0 is out, nothing is won.

That being said, you have to take into account the fact that they are delaying (like, huge delaying) the Fantasia sales, which is hurting A LOT money wise (I don't have numbers but the Fantasia restoration requests are easily in the thousands each month). While FFXIV is 100% aimed at reimbursing their debts, they are also slacking on the maximum money they can make, there must be a reason for that (I'd like to believe that it's not pure idiocy).

I wouldn't worry about FFXI or FFXIV following this specific Sony announcement. FFXI and FFXIV have the same common enemy, which is time, FFXI is just much weaker in that aspect. Speaking of, end of fiscal year rhymes with bad news for FFXI, I wonder what it will be this time around (not that it'll bother the majority of the players still playing it).

Where are people getting the idea that SE is sinking now of all times?

Sony sold the stock they had because they needed money. Whenever a company has a large amount of their stocks sold, their stock price goes down a lot for a short while.

Nothing is really going to happen to SE over this, I honestly don't get where the 4 pages of baseless conjecture has come from.

There is nothing baseless about stating that SE stock dropped as a result of this move, nor is it conjecture when saying SE has been operating at a loss for over 5 years.

But hey, keep being delusional and thinking whatever you want. You always do.

Hell, I might bump this in a month or two when their stock goes back and over what it was before the sell because that's how stocks work.

You didn't know? Anyone who knows the concept "buy low, sell high" is automatically a Class A investor qualified to speculate on any hypothetical business situation that has the slightest of chances to become reality.

Obviously they're making these claims after carefully reviewing the annual reports that came with their $.50 dividends checks.

In terms of XIV nothing short of another scrap and re-release would justify truly calling it above a 2.x.

Only one person made a dramatic statement about SE being bought off another company, we simply followed on the hypothesis to argue about the worth of FFXI.

My only realistic worry is that SE might hold back from taking risks and releasing classic-like FF titles as they promised, which would sadden me greatly.

It's how Yoshida names it. The first expansion is gonna mark 3.0, right now it's 2.2 I think.

Wouldn't make a huge difference if they went under. Ultimately some other company would buy the rights, titles, intellectual property, etc. and make a splash by remaking a classic...perhaps even do a better job with it than SE would, in it's current state.

that's silly, imo...

I imagine you can see as to why.

Feel free to post SEs fiscal reports showing where they have been in the black. I'll wait.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/14q3earnings.pdf

Also this:

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/130326.pdf

In view of the rapidly changing environment of the game businesses, the Company has decided to
implement major reforms and restructuring in its development policy, organizational structure, some
business models, and others. The Company expects to incur loss of approximately ¥10 billion from such
restructuring efforts to be recognized as extraordinary loss about loss from restructuring in the settlement of
the account for its fiscal year ending March 31, 2013
The extraordinary loss are composed of loss on disposal of content (approximately ¥4 billion), and loss on
evaluation of content (approximately ¥4 billion),and the other(approximately ¥2 billion).