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Final Heaven buffed?
 Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 18:42:18
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If it was changed and they didn't mention it it's probably a bug, better not use Final Heaven or you'll get banhammered for exploiting it!
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-04-04 18:56:19
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Dropping my Spharai just to be safe, I don't want to be banned.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2013-04-04 18:59:30
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
If you want to prove it was changed, go to a starter town on MNK/THF and use SA->Final Heaven against level 0 monsters in a VIT set without sources of fTP (like Gorget). Come back and post your VIT and the damages you did. Getting 10 should be enough at first if the effect is as large as you guys claim, and TP doesn't matter. If we see any that are outside the expected range, something was changed.

Testing now. Gimmie a little to get 10 screens... ; ; nobody to shiki me so building TP on mobs is boring.
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-04 19:04:22
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Fenrir.Weakness said: »
I played with it the other night in Bhaflau II, was averaging 2,00~2,300 without DAs, hit a 4k with an obvious TA. It just seemed really random with no real consistent numbers... had an awesome 340 as well, and no I didn't forget a 0. This is my FH build

My SS average was 2,400 so overall I didn't see a big improvement. But my spharai are still 95, so maybe the addition bonus from 99 will make it more viable against weak mobs.

I will take screens and stuff next time I get the chance to derp with it again (most likely neo salvage again).


well I can say it have consistency 2k~, or course it dont beat SS, more that I triple Box w/ a Thf and Exenterator > SS = Light, some times for fun, Hundred Fist, SS > Exenterator > FH for double light.

Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Max Spharai 95 FH damage with 160 VIT (lol) and capped fSTR would be ~2650 with no LC/ DA/TA/etc..

If you're at a lower ratio like you probably are in alot of these your max will be lower, but you also have two chances to multi-attack and you're wearing quite a bit of it.

fun my FH set have 159 vit!.. lol.. if so, well my FH damage is "normal" but before update I never got over 1200...
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2013-04-04 19:18:10
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There are two, got side tracked to go do stuff so get others later. Naked with 95 VIT and 95 Spharai.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-04-04 19:23:31
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I get that your max damage should be 1854 with current damage formulas, and the common range should be 1766~1854. That might be a little high, but it's not proof that anything has changed.
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-04 20:10:39
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Sadly no one else used to use FH after those hells trials, so can't really compare, I did use it "a lot" just for fun and the damage wasn't even close to what it is now.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 20:16:28
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The values he reported are within the range of final heaven's known parameters.

I mean, with the gearset you posted and a relatively modest ratio for MNK of 1.75, you should be seeing an average of 2k with no level correction.

(not completely accurate because *** flooring order and estimated average pdif to be the cratio value also you have to copy/paste the url)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=floor%28floor%28floor%28%2848%2B3%2B48%2B13%2Bfloor%280.85%28floor%280.6*159%29%29%29%29*4.65301%29*%281.025*1.75%29%29*1.25%29

If you manage to cap attack, you should average 2.5k. (But up to 6600 is possible, lol).
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-05 07:48:07
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The values he reported are within the range of final heaven's known parameters.

I mean, with the gearset you posted and a relatively modest ratio for MNK of 1.75, you should be seeing an average of 2k with no level correction.

(not completely accurate because *** flooring order and estimated average pdif to be the cratio value also you have to copy/paste the url)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=floor%28floor%28floor%28%2848%2B3%2B48%2B13%2Bfloor%280.85%28floor%280.6*159%29%29%29%29*4.65301%29*%281.025*1.75%29%29*1.25%29

If you manage to cap attack, you should average 2.5k. (But up to 6600 is possible, lol).

Yup I know... But it wasn't like that, what's the reason ppl never used it? 'Coz it sucked, my Av SS are 2500~ and now my Av FH are 2100~ both can manage to get high spikes,

You said if I capped atk could do increase damage, but I remember when doing trials I did test soul voice 2x minuet and chaos... And FH damage was the same ( yea was still lv75 weapon).

From what I've tested SS Benefits directly more from +atk than FH
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-05 16:50:36
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Did some parse while lvlng my NPC,


those LOW ws for sure where under the effect of ATK down from the worms -_-
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By Fenrir.Deno 2013-04-05 16:57:10
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FH is better with Sneak Attack... I don't see it being worth using otherwise ; ;
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-05 17:27:18
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Fenrir.Deno said: »
FH is better with Sneak Attack... I don't see it being worth using otherwise ; ;

ya.. I'll be going MNK/THF! -_- even that FH got the higher WS damage in those 87 mobs
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-05 18:15:00
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Your Shijin Spiral set seems bad :(
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By Carbuncle.Ancientdragon 2013-04-08 06:58:19
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so your about same dmg if not higher with your 95 so with 99 looking at 15% more dmg i acualy have 99 relic ill have to give it a shot later on today lol ill have to look for a realy good set of gears for that
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By Carbuncle.Ancientdragon 2013-04-08 07:29:04
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also there is alot of new gear and stuff been added what would be best possible gear for it
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-04-08 18:11:50
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I made something up. I don't think it's the best set, but I hope it gives a general idea of how to gear up for the WS. If it is optimal, then great:

ItemSet 295945