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Another Gear advice Thread
Lakshmi.Tanama
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-23 08:50:49
First priority in jump sets should be maintaining your xhit. Given the current preference for 5-hits, this heavily favors use of Ogier's Gauntlets since they're such an efficient way to gain STP.
Well, you could set up alternate damage-oriented sets for situations where you have enough TP that you'll still hit 100 even if you miss a hit (AM3 rebuild phase notwithstanding), but aside from that it's definitely a priority.
Don't forget though, on Jumps you can wear Conte Legs for the 2.5 TP bonus, ok, they're not uber strong, but that TP bonus will free up so many slots.
I am not sure how Ig-Alima, no atmacites compares to higher tier Legion mobs but I used it for this example and this is what gave me the highest DPS for when AM3 is up:
Race: Elvaan
SJ: WAR
Food: Pizza+1
Target: Ig-Alima
Def Down: 35%
COR Rolls: Fighter's / Samurai [Ninja Edit: Rogue's / Samurai roll is giving me the highest numbers atm]
Haste: on
Embrava: on
Songs: Min V + IV, Mad II
I ran all of what you just said, then compaired it against /SAM, and /SAM was far better...
My spreadsheet must be broken, some values wrong or I'm using an older version? When ever I change the SJ to /SAM, DPS lowers by 15.581.
I'm going to try this again with a fresh download.
I ran it again with an upgraded spreadsheet and /SAM came out on top. I guess the old spreadsheet I was using had some archaic values that weren't updated.
This time, Chaos / Rogue's rolls gave the highest DPS.
Thanks for fact-checking that, Ihm.
EDIT:
With the updated spreadsheet, these sets are giving me the highest DPS:
Setup:
Race: Elvaan
SJ: SAM
Food: Pizza+1
Target: Ig-Alima
Def Down: 35%
COR Rolls: Chaos Att% +35 / Rogue's Crit% +15
Wyvern: on
AM3: on
Hasso / Meditate: on
Haste: on
Embrava: on
Songs: Min V + IV, Mad II
Day for fTP Bonus: on
Abyssea & Voidwatch buffs: off
I never really put much consideration into the use of that belt and the OPness off those feet. I wonder whats the best AM down then. Not quite convinced on the WS set though tbh.
AF3+2 hands pushed ahead for me slightly on WS, and Hagneia Stone on TP. Yes, you're right. An oversight on my part. Along with Lancer hands +2, For waist: Elemental belt > Anguinus > Wanion > Prosilio
WS Dmg: 2733
Set DPS: 521.574 so far.
With that setup this is what I ran with the ammo slot on WS:
Black 528.242
Astrolabe 527.904
Demonry core 526.524
Cheruski needle 525.873
Thew bomblet 524.193
Hagneia 522.036
Potestas 521.574
Then I switched Pyrosoul to Gaubious Ring and the end result is:
WS Dmg: 2916
Set DPS: 545.566
Ring slot: Gaubious > Ambuscade > Oneiros > Mars > Thundersoul
Although it really depends how long that Accuracy+10 enchantment lasts, you'll always have that ambuscade ring* in hand.
*Legion only
WS Dmg: 3195
Set DPS: 593.015
WS Accuracy: Need +27 to cap
WS Attack: +44 over
More to come.
Ragnarok.Martel
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2012-11-23 09:45:54
Wouldn't you have to fulltime that Gaubious ring the keep the enchantment on? Most enchantments wear off when the item is removed.
I really wouldn't wanna do that.
Also, is this intended to actually optimize for legion, or is it just a general Super high-level content simulation?
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-23 09:49:02
Yes, the intent is for the higher waves in Legion and Hall of Mul, maximizing DPS.
I am currently using this as the setup:
Race: Elvaan
SJ: SAM
Food: Pizza+1 Red Curry Bun-
Target: Ig-Alima
Def Down: 35%
COR Rolls: Chaos Att% +35 / Rogue's Crit% +15
Wyvern: on
AM3: on
Hasso / Meditate: on
Haste: on
Embrava: on
Songs: Min V + IV, Mad II
As for Gibious? Yeah, I believe you're right. If the enchantment does wear off with equipment change, it is not worth it.
EDIT: I've heard from one person that the Legion bosses are the same level as their voidwatch counterparts. He didn't cite a source so I'm not sure if he was just assuming or if there's information on that somewhere.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2012-11-23 10:20:56
Ok, well. Assuming an actual Legion setup. The first thing to do, is turn on soul voice. The BRD locks SV on the exit, so you get SV the whole run, unless something kills them(wave2 ironclad or astral flow.) That alone should clear up most of the acc issues. Depending on how good a BRD we're talking(99 Ghorn?)
Next up. Mob stats. We know relatively little about these mobs stats. Based on This and This we have some approximate Paramount Gallu's stats
LVL 119~120
VIT 100
The Vit there is pretty different from the 123 in the sheet atm.
We don't have any AGI data atm. Which makes using any DEX gear on ws iffy at best, once acc is taken care of.
I'd love to get some AGI data, but it's very difficult on these mobs. You see, then best way to measure AGI, is by checking your crit rate at various dex levels.
But all the wave 2+ mobs in Mul have a massive crit rate reduction. And I mean massive(-25~30%) Typical crit rate in TP gear is gonna be 0~1%. Making it really hard to figure out mob AGI. And, brutally murdering Drakebane DMG.
So, for even semi accurate numbers in Mul, you'll need to add that crit- to the mob data. Other lists tab, column H. Crit rate. set to -25% or -30%.
These changes should have a notable impact on what gear is ideal.
Lakshmi.Tanama
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-23 10:26:04
Alright. I'll change it to those settings and report my findings.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-11-23 12:12:36
What about if you remove Embrava? Yanno, since its becoming useless in the very near future, plan ahead goes?
By Kyler 2012-11-23 12:58:03
I'm really tired about hearing how embrava is going to be useless. There is nothing useless about being able to cap magic haste without marches opening up the use of minuets scherzo madrigals is and was way more of a game changer than some regain especially with empy/relic bards
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-23 12:58:12
Updated Ig-Alima to have -25% Crit trait and lowered it's VIT to 100.
Added Soul Voice with 99 Gjallhorn songs and +5 merits into minuet and madrigal.
Songs: Min IV V and Mad II
Race: Elvaan
SJ: SAM
Food: Red Curry Bun
Target: Ig-Alima
Def Down: 35%
COR Rolls: Samurai Store TP +35 / Rogue's Crit% +15 [Switched Chaos to Samurai since TP set Attack was about +300 over the cap]
Wyvern: on
AM3: on
Hasso / Meditate: on
Haste: on
Embrava: on
These are the best sets I've come up with so far:
WS Dmg: 2664
Set DPS: 622.030
TP Accuracy: +26 Above the cap
TP Attack: +64 Over the cap
WS Accuracy: +26 over the cap
WS Attack: -75 Under the cap
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-11-23 13:04:27
I'm really tired about hearing how embrava is going to be useless. There is nothing useless about being able to cap magic haste without marches opening up the use of minuets scherzo madrigals is and was way more of a game changer than some regain especially with empy/relic bards Ignoring the fact that its duration will be 25% of what it currently is...
By Kyler 2012-11-23 13:11:49
Other than NNI you lock your buffs on a book or portal quite frequently, the SCH can recast it and the DDs can extend its useful duration. Is it worse? Obviously. Is it broken? Not anymore. Is it useless? Far from it.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-11-23 14:13:18
I'm really tired about hearing how embrava is going to be useless. There is nothing useless about being able to cap magic haste without marches opening up the use of minuets scherzo madrigals is and was way more of a game changer than some regain especially with empy/relic bards
That's all peaches and cream, but the 5 regain effects the sets a lot, and that's what I was referring too.
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-23 14:31:03
I'm really tired about hearing how embrava is going to be useless. There is nothing useless about being able to cap magic haste without marches opening up the use of minuets scherzo madrigals is and was way more of a game changer than some regain especially with empy/relic bards
That's all peaches and cream, but the 5 regain effects the sets a lot, and that's what I was referring too. I wanted to do Embrava off originally because of the impending nerf but I believe the magic haste value will remain the same. The regain effect on the other hand, I will have to wait until Motenten updates the spreadsheets before I can start mathing again post-nerf.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-11-23 22:04:58
Because editing cells or substituting appropriate-tier marches for Embrava (not that tiers are especially relevant for DRG min-maxing since you don't hit delay cap outside 2hr) is really *** hard and nobody does math without his spreadsheets.
I'm really tired about hearing how embrava is going to be useless. There is nothing useless about being able to cap magic haste without marches opening up the use of minuets scherzo madrigals is and was way more of a game changer than some regain especially with empy/relic bards You won't be able to cap magic haste without at least one march post-nerf. Embrava will cap at 25%, magic haste caps at 43.75%.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-11-24 12:35:03
If you want to alter the spreadsheet to allow for the removal of embravas regain and adjustment of the haste (I guessed the enhancing modifier, it was Enhancing/15+1 so I guess it as Enhancing/20.83+1 which gives 25% at 500 skill) then its simple ^^.
Go to the data tab, cell B85 and replace it with Code =MIN(IF(Setup!J4=1,150,0) + (IF(Setup!J15=1, 96 + 16 * Setup!J14, 0) + IF(Setup!J16=1, 64 + 16 * Setup!J14, 0)) * IF(Setup!J13=1, 2, 1) + IF(Setup!J32=1, TRUNC(((Setup!J31/20.83+1)/100)*1024), 0),448)/1024
then C85 changes to Code =MIN(IF(Setup!K4=1,150,0) + (IF(Setup!K15=1, 96 + 16 * Setup!K14, 0) + IF(Setup!K16=1, 64 + 16 * Setup!K14,0)) * IF(Setup!K13=1, 2, 1) + IF(Setup!K32=1, TRUNC(((Setup!K31/20.83+1)/100)*1024), 0),448)/1024
D100 changes to Code =C$22+IF(Setup!J44=1,Setup!M44,0)+IF(Setup!J34=1,1,0) + HLOOKUP($A100,INDIRECT(B$25),MATCH("Total",Slots,0)+1,0)
and finally E100 becomes Code =D$22+IF(Setup!K44=1,Setup!N44,0) + IF(Setup!K34=1,1,0) +HLOOKUP($A100,INDIRECT(C$25),MATCH("Total",Slots,0)+1,0)
Enjoy~
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By Lakshmi.Tanama 2012-11-24 14:11:24
Because editing cells or substituting appropriate-tier marches for Embrava (not that tiers are especially relevant for DRG min-maxing since you don't hit delay cap outside 2hr) is really *** hard and nobody does math without his spreadsheets. I don't. Want to fight about it? I started messing with these spreadsheets fairly recently so cut me some *** slack will you?
If you want to alter the spreadsheet to allow for the removal of embravas regain and adjustment of the haste (I guessed the enhancing modifier, it was Enhancing/15+1 so I guess it as Enhancing/20.83+1 which gives 25% at 500 skill) then its simple ^^.
Go to the data tab, cell B85 and replace it with Code =MIN(IF(Setup!J4=1,150,0) + (IF(Setup!J15=1, 96 + 16 * Setup!J14, 0) + IF(Setup!J16=1, 64 + 16 * Setup!J14, 0)) * IF(Setup!J13=1, 2, 1) + IF(Setup!J32=1, TRUNC(((Setup!J31/20.83+1)/100)*1024), 0),448)/1024
then C85 changes to Code =MIN(IF(Setup!K4=1,150,0) + (IF(Setup!K15=1, 96 + 16 * Setup!K14, 0) + IF(Setup!K16=1, 64 + 16 * Setup!K14,0)) * IF(Setup!K13=1, 2, 1) + IF(Setup!K32=1, TRUNC(((Setup!K31/20.83+1)/100)*1024), 0),448)/1024
D100 changes to Code =C$22+IF(Setup!J44=1,Setup!M44,0)+IF(Setup!J34=1,1,0) + HLOOKUP($A100,INDIRECT(B$25),MATCH("Total",Slots,0)+1,0)
and finally E100 becomes Code =D$22+IF(Setup!K44=1,Setup!N44,0) + IF(Setup!K34=1,1,0) +HLOOKUP($A100,INDIRECT(C$25),MATCH("Total",Slots,0)+1,0)
Enjoy~
Thank you.
By Kyler 2012-11-24 18:02:52
You won't be able to cap magic haste without at least one march post-nerf. Embrava will cap at 25%, magic haste caps at 43.75%.
Didn't realize they were cutting the cap to 25% instead of 33, but I still stand by my statement.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Lanien 2012-11-25 01:29:21
What's the best TP back when:
- OAT polearm
- Not Rancorous mantle
- Assuming not Atheling since the DA% is pointless with OAT for TPing
Can't be using Rancorous in Legion, which is what the question is based around. I will obviously be using it every where else applicable
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-11-25 01:34:47
Quetzalcoatl.Lanien said: »What's the best TP back when:
- OAT polearm
- Not Rancorous mantle
- Assuming not Atheling since the DA% is pointless with OAT for TPing
Can't be using Rancorous in Legion, which is what the question is based around. I will obviously be using it every where else applicable
lol
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2012-11-25 01:38:36
DA (or any multi attack) isn't useless with an OAT weapon, just has it's value cut down. Atheling Mantle still has a hefty ATT+, more than Rancor Mantle does. Unless Rancor Mantle has a hidden effect, I don't get the point of using it.
I'd wager Forager's and Cerberus +1 mantles are pretty close when using an OAT weapon, but probably still inferior to Atheling.
Ah, so it's Crit+5% vs DA+1.8% (essentially anyway iirc) and ATT+3?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-11-25 07:35:39
Paramount Gallu probably has more than a 25% crit rate penalty. I'd put it at 40% minimum and possibly 50%. The only monster I've seen Ragnarok users come off the crit rate floor on in Wave 2-3 is Paramount Naraka.
Ragnarok users necessarily have a 24% base crit rate and sometimes we use Blood Rage (+20%), so considering that dDEX is probably not 0 (especially after we ES impact stuff) the crit rate penalty must be absolutely huge.
Hey, sorry for posting another gear advise thread.
I just got Phorcys Head and Ogier hands today. Those were two items that i wanted for one of my "ideal" tp set as drg/sam, 5hit. (Should need 52stp)
I'm short 15k on alex on ryu, still using a lolrhongo atm (so same delay).
Or this one :
Idealy, I'd go with the second tp set and use Enif Corazza over phorthos.
Some ppl told me using porthos was a bad idea. Tho, losing some attack from af3 body, for some TA, isn't a bad dealn and I don't see the flame in this setup.
Any thought on this? Or any advise?
Thanx in advance :D
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