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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-07 10:52:34
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
It is cute how you guys start attacking people or mocking them before a response is even posted...

It's cute how you don't understand what satire is.
Implying some of the tryhards here know how to perform that.
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 10:56:13
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I'm so tired of people from every side claiming this ***too... claiming to be the victim here is laughable at best... both of em make these excuses and their supporters tell us how unfair it is... It's pathetic... Stop making *** excuses all the time and go out and do the right thing... Thatd be too hard though...

You are a little bit to aggressive right now.

I don't really disagree with you. People will often blindly defend their candidate no matter what the situation is. I want to point out a few things that gives KN a little more ground to stand on:

  • People that frequent online forums often lean more left. A lof of this has to do with the Millenial influence when it comes to online outlets (like reddit, see /r/politics). Because of this effect there are a lot more people attacking Trump supporters and making excuses for Clinton. This mentality is especially prevalent on this forum.

  • A lot of Trumps dealings are from his shady past and he has typically already paid for them. So there is no plausible way to deny some of things he has done. There is also no rational reason to hold some of these things against him, especially things done years ago(Same defence used for a lot of things Hillary has said in the past). In contrast, most of the articles about Hillary are more recent and muddled in political talk. A good chunk of the articles are based off of speculation from facts, but there is no smoking gun. Regardless, the articles that are pointing towards her flaws are typically a lot more relevant to the election

  • I can't speak specifically for KN, but a good chunk of us "Trump supporters" actually don't really like Trump at all. For me he is just the lesser of two evils and I personally think a political revolution is needed. I would be voting for Bernie if he was the democratic candidate, hands down. We aren't usually quick to defend him but I will personally defend any misconceptions about him since there are really a lot out there.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-07 10:56:42
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
It is cute how you guys start attacking people or mocking them before a response is even posted...

It's cute how you don't understand what satire is.
Implying some of the tryhards here know how to perform that.

Which is why we shamefully need satire and "if you took this as serious you probably have a stick up your ***" tags
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-07 10:57:56
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Its official! Hurricanes are a left wing conspiracy!

Hurricane Matthew: Matt Drudge conspiracy comments kick up storm
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Conservative US blogger Matt Drudge has kicked up a storm by suggesting that the warnings over Hurricane Matthew are a government conspiracy to make "an exaggerated point on climate" change.

The founder of the Drudge Report tweeted that the US hurricane centre had a monopoly on data and there was "no way of verifying claims"....

Rush Limbaugh thinks hurricanes are part of a left-wing conspiracy
Aol News (Aol is still in business?)

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Hurricane Matthew has left dozens dead and devastation throughout the Caribbean and it's expected to strengthen on its way to Florida. But it appears Rush Limbaugh doesn't really believe in hurricanes as a threat.

The conservative talk show host suggested this week that hurricanes are part of a left-wing conspiracy to try to convince the general public that climate change is real.

He commented on his show that the National Hurricane Center was "playing games" with its forecasts to cause false alarms and scare people....

Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge think Hurricane Matthew is a liberal conspiracy
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Hurricane Matthew is real. It is deadly. And it is definitely not a left-wing conspiracy meant to trick Americans into believing in climate change.

Or is it?

Influential conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge, are pushing the notion that liberals are overblowing the seriousness of Hurricane Matthew to further their environmental agenda....

So if you are a true blue red right winger anywhere near the SE coast don't evacuate! Its all a left wing plot!
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:00:32
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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The Donald has explicitly stated that he is just going to play president and let his VP actually run the country, domestic and foreign policy.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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Funny I follow him pretty good

Obviously not.
There's a simple way to settle this:

Show your source.


This would be the source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/

Two sources: Donald Trump Jr with Kaisch but Trump campaign denies the interaction occurred and then Paul Manafort in an interview with HuffPost that Trump wants to let VP oversee domestic and foreign policy while Trump acts more as a "brand" I.e PoTUS in name only.

This reason is why I think the VP debate should have been a lot more focused on the VPs themselves and why Kaines peformance may be a bit more detrimental than most VP debates.

Whether this statement is true or not, the idea was planted so people are going to focus a bit more on Pence.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-07 11:02:03
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eliroo said: »
People that frequent online forums often lean more left.
You forgot to use the asspull tag.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-07 11:04:00
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You can't remember simple things from a year and a half ago KN? Maybe your mind has gone soft... Doesn't seem to be that unreasonable to remember something you push on the general forum population lol...
Ok, so what's this all about then?

You bringing up my CFO stint for, what again?

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
So you deny saying I was a supporter of hers then in the same breath accuse me of bent her supporter...I don't even have the words to respond to how dumb that just was... Besides the point that I don't support all the same views and even if I did does not mean I'm a closet supporter as sharing the same viewpoints as someone does not mean your out them forward for anything for a number of different reasons...
Wait, so I'm apparently a Trump supporter that you claimed because I think he is a better choice than Clinton, even though I have on multiple times denounced and even ridiculed his positions, but you aren't a Clinton supporter because of the same reasons you claim I'm a Trump supporter? Make up your mind!

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Trump has a ton of baggage... And you do hear about it all the time.. It's one of the complaints that conservatives level often enough that MSM works for Hillary and tries to slam trump wherever he goes... The only thing that trump doesn't have is any baggage from political office as he hasn't held political office...
You are correct, Trump doesn't have any political baggage, he doesn't have anything to prove that he is a good leader except for years of evidence running a company from flat zero to whatever valuation anyone puts on his brand today.

Remember, if you are bankrupt, you start at zero (or near zero, depending on the state you live in) and your credit rating is shot to hell. Trump started at that level and succeeded.

And liberals/democrats are attacking him on his success. And Trump isn't countering it or pointing out that he went from nothing to something (or the media isn't reporting it).

All liberals really have against Trump is things that happened a long time ago. But what people have against Clinton, has happened very recently, and while she was in a position of governmental power. And that's her selling point.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-10-07 11:04:43
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
It is cute how you guys start attacking people or mocking them before a response is even posted...

It's cute how you don't understand what satire is.
kn posting the same old thing after every attack article on Hillary? That's satire? This is news to me!

It has more to do with your tendency to not specify who you're responding to. This reply makes it seems like you made a comment directed at King long after Eliroo posted, but you used the term "you guys" and your writing style is fairly ambiguous.

The quote function is your friend.
What's up with your hardon for the quote button? It's not that hard to figure out who I'm talking to... Just use a little of that reading comprehension you've told me I should get more of...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-10-07 11:05:57
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I always did think cfos at companies actually worked while they were there... Hmmm... Guess not...


You would be correct CFOs don't do a whole lot most of the time. They are more of a position with responsibility as opposed to work. When it matters though they have to do a shitton of work.
Is this seriously how you see that type of job working?
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:08:23
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
People that frequent online forums often lean more left.
You forgot to use the asspull tag.

Millenials are the target demographic for democrats and liberals. There are far more millenials on the internet.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
eliroo said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I always did think cfos at companies actually worked while they were there... Hmmm... Guess not...


You would be correct CFOs don't do a whole lot most of the time. They are more of a position with responsibility as opposed to work. When it matters though they have to do a shitton of work.
Is this seriously how you see that type of job working?

No I don't at all. We had a CFO that did that and he isn't here anymore.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-07 11:10:26
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eliroo said: »
I can't speak specifically for KN, but a good chunk of us "Trump supporters" actually don't really like Trump at all. For me he is just the lesser of two evils and I personally think a political revolution is needed. I would be voting for Bernie if he was the democratic candidate, hands down. We aren't usually quick to defend him but I will personally defend any misconceptions about him since there are really a lot out there.
I said it before, there would have been a good possibility of me actually voting for a democrat/socialist over Trump if Sanders was running. I would have to see he full message first though, not his "primaries" message.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-07 11:11:31
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eliroo said: »
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eliroo said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I always did think cfos at companies actually worked while they were there... Hmmm... Guess not...


You would be correct CFOs don't do a whole lot most of the time. They are more of a position with responsibility as opposed to work. When it matters though they have to do a shitton of work.
Is this seriously how you see that type of job working?

No I don't at all. We had a CFO that did that and he isn't here anymore.
I would be angry, but then I remember, I don't care anymore.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-07 11:12:55
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
It is cute how you guys start attacking people or mocking them before a response is even posted...

It's cute how you don't understand what satire is.
kn posting the same old thing after every attack article on Hillary? That's satire? This is news to me!

It has more to do with your tendency to not specify who you're responding to. This reply makes it seems like you made a comment directed at King long after Eliroo posted, but you used the term "you guys" and your writing style is fairly ambiguous.

The quote function is your friend.
What's up with your hardon for the quote button? It's not that hard to figure out who I'm talking to... Just use a little of that reading comprehension you've told me I should get more of...

Your grammar often isn't good enough for reading comprehension to make a difference.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-07 11:15:18
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Its official! Hurricanes are a left wing conspiracy!

Hurricane Matthew: Matt Drudge conspiracy comments kick up storm
BBC

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Conservative US blogger Matt Drudge has kicked up a storm by suggesting that the warnings over Hurricane Matthew are a government conspiracy to make "an exaggerated point on climate" change.

The founder of the Drudge Report tweeted that the US hurricane centre had a monopoly on data and there was "no way of verifying claims"....

Rush Limbaugh thinks hurricanes are part of a left-wing conspiracy
Aol News (Aol is still in business?)

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Hurricane Matthew has left dozens dead and devastation throughout the Caribbean and it's expected to strengthen on its way to Florida. But it appears Rush Limbaugh doesn't really believe in hurricanes as a threat.

The conservative talk show host suggested this week that hurricanes are part of a left-wing conspiracy to try to convince the general public that climate change is real.

He commented on his show that the National Hurricane Center was "playing games" with its forecasts to cause false alarms and scare people....

Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge think Hurricane Matthew is a liberal conspiracy
The Daily Dot

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Hurricane Matthew is real. It is deadly. And it is definitely not a left-wing conspiracy meant to trick Americans into believing in climate change.

Or is it?

Influential conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge, are pushing the notion that liberals are overblowing the seriousness of Hurricane Matthew to further their environmental agenda....

So if you are a true blue red right winger anywhere near the SE coast don't evacuate! Its all a left wing plot!

If I was Gov. Rick Scott I would be offended. Possibly even seek to have criminal charges brought against these publications.
As a Republican governor who just issued an evacuation of the coastal region then to have my constituents read that tripe and then end up dead. I would be pissed. Thanks for killing my voter base for the sake of partisan sensationalism.
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By Zerowone 2016-10-07 11:20:15
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eliroo said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
eliroo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
The Donald has explicitly stated that he is just going to play president and let his VP actually run the country, domestic and foreign policy.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Odin.Slore said: »
Funny I follow him pretty good

Obviously not.
There's a simple way to settle this:

Show your source.


This would be the source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/

Two sources: Donald Trump Jr with Kaisch but Trump campaign denies the interaction occurred and then Paul Manafort in an interview with HuffPost that Trump wants to let VP oversee domestic and foreign policy while Trump acts more as a "brand" I.e PoTUS in name only.

This reason is why I think the VP debate should have been a lot more focused on the VPs themselves and why Kaines peformance may be a bit more detrimental than most VP debates.

Whether this statement is true or not, the idea was planted so people are going to focus a bit more on Pence.

You would think with that floating around for a few months and the fact that is how Trump actually does business, they would set up a Clinton v Pence debate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-07 11:20:55
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I can't speak for Matt Drudge, but Limbaugh at the very least came out and told everyone that they should heed the hurricane center's warning regardless. He is based in Florida and told everyone that he was evacuating too. It was more a matter of telling people to not buy into the climate change rhetoric that is likely to follow, pointing out Al Gore's laughably wrong predictions from 11 years ago.
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By fonewear 2016-10-07 11:21:40
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Why couldn't the Hurricane come and destroy this thread instead of Florida ?
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:22:41
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I despise how Climate change is nothing more than a stupid political ploy.

I despise both sides of each party for making it into one when it is a real issue that shouldn't be affiliated with a political party at all.

Who in there right mind is going to say that Hurricanes are conspiracies? People are dying to this ***and they have the audacity to say they are as made up as fairy tales?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-10-07 11:22:53
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It's you accusing me of being a troll and then disappearing for awhile on the boards for a bit then me responding by say goodbye we don't all have a ton of free time like you appearently seem to. Granted I was wrong on you still being employed at at previous job you had mentioned.

The reason I consider you a trump supporter KN is that a) you've said you're voting for him and b) you stand up for him as recent as the last page saying that he isn't treated as fairly as Clinton... I don't consider myself a Clinton supporter because I refuse to vote for her and I also agree that she should at the very least step down from running... I keep hoping someone will nail her with something so that all these congressional hearings wouldn't be a waste of time and money...

Trump was never that low on credit or funds and a lot of the money he lost wasn't his... That being said I can't really comment on much of it as I haven't really read much into his bankruptcies beyond Dems shouting he's terrible for it and pubs saying he's great for how he handled it...

Regardless running a business is nothing like running your own company... This is both a good thing and a bad thing... part of being president is both being able to exert your authority while being able to get those around you to compromise and work together... I don't know what could bring the parties together at this point to at least even try to work together but it isn't either of these two that has a chance to get it done...


My only solace is that either one of em will most likely only be a one term president unless something miraculous happens...
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By fonewear 2016-10-07 11:23:14
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When global warming hits my house I'll be sure to take a picture of it so we have irrefutable proof !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-07 11:23:34
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Why couldn't the Hurricane come and destroy this thread instead of Florida ?
Give it time.
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By fonewear 2016-10-07 11:24:22
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I despise how Climate change is nothing more than a stupid political ploy.

I despise both sides of each party for making it into one when it is a real issue that shouldn't be affiliated with a political party at all.

Who in there right mind is going to say that Hurricanes are conspiracies? People are dying to this ***and they have the audacity to say they are as made up as fairy tales?

My sources tell me that Trump caused the hurricane cause he doesn't care about black people...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-07 11:28:46
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I can't speak for Matt Drudge, but Limbaugh at the very least came out and told everyone that they should heed the hurricane center's warning regardless. He is based in Florida and told everyone that he was evacuating too. It was more a matter of telling people to not buy into the climate change rhetoric that is likely to follow, pointing out Al Gore's laughably wrong predictions from 11 years ago.

Yes but it's a shame that the anthropomorphic battle has to rage when a category 4 is coming along with a category 1 to the east of it that may force it to loop back (obviously won't be a hurricane at that point if it does).
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-07 11:29:55
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fonewear said: »
eliroo said: »
I despise how Climate change is nothing more than a stupid political ploy.

I despise both sides of each party for making it into one when it is a real issue that shouldn't be affiliated with a political party at all.

Who in there right mind is going to say that Hurricanes are conspiracies? People are dying to this ***and they have the audacity to say they are as made up as fairy tales?

My sources tell me that Trump caused the hurricane cause he doesn't care about black people...

I thought he said "he has a good relationship with the blacks".
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:30:38
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
fonewear said: »
eliroo said: »
I despise how Climate change is nothing more than a stupid political ploy.

I despise both sides of each party for making it into one when it is a real issue that shouldn't be affiliated with a political party at all.

Who in there right mind is going to say that Hurricanes are conspiracies? People are dying to this ***and they have the audacity to say they are as made up as fairy tales?

My sources tell me that Trump caused the hurricane cause he doesn't care about black people...

I thought he said "he has a good relationship with the blacks".

The best relationship.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-10-07 11:35:25
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There's actually a harsher term for people who base an entire culture based on negative perceptions.

The argument isn't about an entire culture but rather what their culture promotes.It isn't even about looking down on the refugees but rather understanding how their culture clashes with ours and how the american people will be effected. That is the basis for denying them refuge in the states.

You can't sit there and throw out names for every person that disagrees with you. You hardly ever take an ounce of effort to consider what your opposition is trying to point out, instead you take a singular stance and just start throwing out one liner insults when an actual argument is presented. My advice, don't choose to be ignorant. I may be stubborn but I will at least muse the ideas of the opposition and sometimes play devils advocate to help me understand a point better.
Ignoring your implication that refugees are raping their way through Europe, the culture gap isn't being ignored. Refugees are often placed with relatives if they have some living here. All refugees are assigned to a non-governmental organization (church, charity, etc.) to help them get situated. They're not being chucked into American society with no help, but there's always going to be some kind of culture shock.

The thing I'm not getting is with 10,000 or so potential refugees coming to a country of millions of citizens somehow the cultural burden is on... you (in the general sense)? The arguments from the last few pages have just been incredibly selfish.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-10-07 11:45:15
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
All liberals really have against Trump is things that happened a long time ago.
And his policy ideas, refusal to provide tenable platform specifics, use of inflammatory rhetoric towards minority groups, complete absence of the decorum expected from a president,...
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:50:33
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
eliroo said: »
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There's actually a harsher term for people who base an entire culture based on negative perceptions.

The argument isn't about an entire culture but rather what their culture promotes.It isn't even about looking down on the refugees but rather understanding how their culture clashes with ours and how the american people will be effected. That is the basis for denying them refuge in the states.

You can't sit there and throw out names for every person that disagrees with you. You hardly ever take an ounce of effort to consider what your opposition is trying to point out, instead you take a singular stance and just start throwing out one liner insults when an actual argument is presented. My advice, don't choose to be ignorant. I may be stubborn but I will at least muse the ideas of the opposition and sometimes play devils advocate to help me understand a point better.
Ignoring your implication that refugees are raping their way through Europe, the culture gap isn't being ignored. Refugees are often placed with relatives if they have some living here. All refugees are assigned to a non-governmental organization (church, charity, etc.) to help them get situated. They're not being chucked into American society with no help, but there's always going to be some kind of culture shock.

The thing I'm not getting is with 10,000 or so potential refugees coming to a country of millions of citizens somehow the cultural burden is on... you (in the general sense)? The arguments from the last few pages have just been incredibly selfish.

There wasn't an implication, there are refugees that are raping and degrading women. It is part of their culture which clashes with ours. I'm not branding all refugees as rapist but the fact that there are some that are is worrisome.

I also don't think focusing on the impact to America first is "selfish". We are a nation and we need to protect our integrity. When it comes to foreign affairs we should always consider ourselves first because others sure aren't considering us.

That being said, If the cultural shock is being addressed in some form or manor then there shouldn't be an issue if we handle it carefully. It definitely depends on how many refugees we end up taking in. 10,000 isn't a big number but when reach the millions we will start seeing some negative impact.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-07 11:52:20
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Its official! Hurricanes are a left wing conspiracy!
Now its REALLY official!

Obama: 'This is still a really dangerous hurricane'
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After all if Obama says its so it MUST be false. Amirite?
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By eliroo 2016-10-07 11:52:42
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
All liberals really have against Trump is things that happened a long time ago.
And his policy ideas, refusal to provide tenable platform specifics, use of inflammatory rhetoric towards minority groups, complete absence of the decorum expected from a president,...


There are definitely some things that neither candidate has released specifics of in their platform. I find that argument pretty weak.

What use of inflammatory rhetoric towards minority groups are you talking about?
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