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Random Politics & Religion #00
By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:12:48
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Only things missing in this interview were the soft music and candlelight. They should have been sitting on a blanket together.
What the picture doesn't show is them rolling around in the hay 20 minutes before the picture.
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By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:14:03
I do not believe in mythical creatures either
I do
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:17:42
The lizard people don't exist...
...yet.
But when they come to take over their revolutionary annihilation of inferior human life will be swift and thorough.
So enjoy your time while you can because yes, oh yes....the lizards are coming. And they're sick to the cloaca of the way we've handled their future empire's affairs!
I'm more concerned with the Tachikoma takeover, there won't be enough RAID when the time comes.
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By Ramyrez 2015-02-05 11:22:28
*sigh*
You go looking for an amusing image of a lizard man, but then prominently find this article.
No time to look into the legitimacy of this polling, it could be total rubbish, but the numbers don't necessarily look "off" -- at least from my cynnical view of our country's population -- depending on who/where they did their polling...
By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:24:41
What are you talking about Lizard people have been controlling politics since Nixon.
This is the Obama the media is hiding from you:
By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:24:49
*sigh*
You go looking for an amusing image of a lizard man, but then prominently find this article.
No time to look into the legitimacy of this polling, it could be total rubbish, but the numbers don't necessarily look "off" -- at least from my cynnical view of our country's population -- depending on who/where they did their polling... I mean that's what, one in 25 or so people? (rough count, rounding to 300m)
Considering how many believe in other supernatural phenomenon, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
I mean I'm sure more people believe that Obama is a card carrying commie Muslim from Kenya.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-02-05 11:25:21
Quote: Asura.Kingnobody said
Now we add "Marxism" as a word you do not understand.
clearly you do not know the "karl marx communist manifesto". It was formed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You misinterpret my words as always , the founders studied all forms of government yes. I did not think to write this to your limited understanding that it was governments in there era and past. Are you supposing they would make us a communist nation? Because if you do please do us a favor
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warning do not click for feint of heart this is for KingNobody Crawl back into your mothers uterus and beg Jesus for forgiveness.
By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:27:38
*sigh*
You go looking for an amusing image of a lizard man, but then prominently find this article.
No time to look into the legitimacy of this polling, it could be total rubbish, but the numbers don't necessarily look "off" -- at least from my cynnical view of our country's population -- depending on who/where they did their polling... I mean that's what, one in 25 or so people? (rough count, rounding to 300m)
Considering how many believe in other supernatural phenomenon, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
I mean I'm sure more people believe that Obama is a card carrying commie Muslim from Kenya.
But Obama is a card carrying commie Muslim. I read it on the internet.
Also a cactus:
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:30:33
Quote: Asura.Kingnobody said
Now we add "Marxism" as a word you do not understand.
clearly you do not know the "karl marx communist manifesto". It was formed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You misinterpret my words as always , the founders studied all forms of government yes. I did not think to write this to your limited understanding that it was governments in there era and past. Are you supposing they would make us a communist nation? Because if you do please do us a favor
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warning do not click for feint of heart this is for KingNobody Crawl back into your mothers uterus and beg Jesus for forgiveness.
Holy crap you're ignorant.
Try to pick up a history book (not a youtube video) for once.
edit: and which Jesus should he beg for forgiveness? There's at least 30 in the US alone.
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By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:32:11
We strongly discouraging learning here. Please don't pick up a history book.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:32:36
We strongly discouraging learning here. Please don't pick up a history book. Fone, don't make me go get a stick to beat you with, I'm lazy and you'll enjoy it.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-05 11:38:28
We don't use History books anymore.
Didn't you get the memo about ipad learning software?
It comes completely with *** 101 and Advanced Youtube resourcing.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:41:48
We don't use History books anymore.
Didn't you get the memo about ipad learning software?
It comes completely with *** 101 and Advanced Youtube resourcing.
I don't dabble in your iSanitarydevice witchcraft!
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By fonewear 2015-02-05 11:43:11
Apple is too mainstream for me I'm using a Next computer.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-02-05 11:50:49
Quote: Asura.Kingnobody said
Now we add "Marxism" as a word you do not understand.
clearly you do not know the "karl marx communist manifesto". It was formed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You misinterpret my words as always , the founders studied all forms of government yes. I did not think to write this to your limited understanding that it was governments in there era and past. Are you supposing they would make us a communist nation? Because if you do please do us a favor
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warning do not click for feint of heart this is for KingNobody Crawl back into your mothers uterus and beg Jesus for forgiveness.
Holy crap you're ignorant.
Try to pick up a history book (not a youtube video) for once.
edit: and which Jesus should he beg for forgiveness? There's at least 30 in the US alone.
You missed the post that created the context for his response.
He was asked if he thought the founding fathers studied communism because he made a blanket statement that they studied all forms of government.
So that's his response which indicates he does have an understanding that communism as a political ideology came after the period of the founding fathers.
Some of you guys might want to cool it since the nature of the posts directed at them are considered to be a form of harassment.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 11:58:43
Quote: Asura.Kingnobody said
Now we add "Marxism" as a word you do not understand.
clearly you do not know the "karl marx communist manifesto". It was formed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You misinterpret my words as always , the founders studied all forms of government yes. I did not think to write this to your limited understanding that it was governments in there era and past. Are you supposing they would make us a communist nation? Because if you do please do us a favor
and
warning do not click for feint of heart this is for KingNobody Crawl back into your mothers uterus and beg Jesus for forgiveness.
Holy crap you're ignorant.
Try to pick up a history book (not a youtube video) for once.
edit: and which Jesus should he beg for forgiveness? There's at least 30 in the US alone.
You missed the post that created the context for his response.
He was asked if he thought the founding fathers studied communism because he made a blanket statement that they studied all forms of government.
So that's his response which indicates he does have an understanding that communism as a political ideology came after the period of the founding fathers.
Some of you guys might want to cool it since the nature of the posts directed at them are considered to be a form of harassment.
I didn't miss it, and I wouldn't conclude the same thing that you did from his response. edit: This may be due to a severe lack in his master of the English language. It is rough to read.
Dissecting his posts aren't harrasment, however the nature of his posts are harassment, but I guess some people like being called sheep, more power to ya.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-05 12:22:06
Jet doesn't understand the meaning of the word harassment.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 12:27:07
Jet doesn't understand the meaning of the word harassment. Oh I'm fully aware of it's meaning.
Don't you have a bomb shelter to stock?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-02-05 13:01:16
What the picture doesn't show is them rolling around in the hay 20 minutes before the picture.
just don't tell chris christie... I'm sure he thought what him and obama had was special...the long walks on the boardwalk after super storm sandy... the teddybear obama gave him that he probably still sleeps with at night
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 13:19:49
clearly you do not know the "karl marx communist manifesto". It was formed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Good for you, you do know who founded the political theory of "Marxism."
You still do not understand it because of this little gem:
Your wrong, these two parties who claim we are a democracy love using Marxist communistic things like a Central Bank and a income tax, both are Marxist policies which you and your gang support, and both i am extremely against because we are being improperly represented.
I hate to tell you this, but having a centralized banking system and an income tax system is not a Marxist concept, as the whole theory derives from power being in the hands of a few elite people under the illusion of serving the people for the greater good. The main difference between what we have now and what Marxism represents (among other things, but the overall picture) is that the people elect a group of representatives in our society, but are appointed in a Marxist community, by a small group of people who think they know better.
I just wanted to point out your little error, and either give you a chance to correct it (which you did, somewhat), or for you to show your ignorance on the subject.
Are you supposing they would make us a communist nation? Would we ever know? The Soviet Union bought into Marxism. So, it would be impossible to know that, if the theory of Marxism existed back in the mid 1700s, if we would still be a Republic (which we still are, regardless of what you think) or not.
Because if you do please do us a favor
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warning do not click for feint of heart this is for KingNobody Crawl back into your mothers uterus and beg Jesus for forgiveness. I'm insulted by your use of religion here.
And also note that little temper tantrums do not help your "cause" at all.
rp&r page 213 Lordgrim does a thing
rp&r page 216 Lordgrim doesn't understand a thing
rp&r page 221 Lordgrim asks a loaded, directed question
rp&r page 223 Lordgrim doesn't have a clue
rp&r page 228 Lordgrim pops
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 13:21:51
Well, I guess I could see where Lordgrim could mistake a centralized banking system as being a Marxist concept, however the Fed doesn't have the type of power he is implying that they have.
By Blazed1979 2015-02-05 14:03:45
Just block the trolls. You can go through 10 pages of discussions and see opinions being swapped and then BAM!
Enter Jet or King.. and its a god damn troll orgy.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 14:05:23
Just block the trolls. You can go through 10 pages of discussions and see opinions being swapped and then BAM!
Enter Jet or King.. and its a god damn troll orgy. I'm seriously going to buy you guys a dictionary, as none of you know the proper usage of this word (or several othersm apparently).
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 14:06:38
Just block the trolls. You can go through 10 pages of discussions and see opinions being swapped and then BAM!
Enter Jet or King.. and its a god damn troll orgy. I'm seriously going to buy you guys a dictionary, as none of you know the proper usage of this word (or several othersm apparently). He can't see your post.
If he doesn't agree with you, he automatically blocks you and calls you a troll.
By Blazed1979 2015-02-05 14:08:29
US national security
Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots
Quote: Human Rights Watch documents 'sting' operations
• Report raises questions about post-9/11 civil rights
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The FBI and other law enforcement agencies attempt to stop terrorist plots before they occur. Photograph: Michael Sohn/AP
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Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or informants, a new report says.
Some of the controversial "sting" operations "were proposed or led by informants", bordering on entrapment by law enforcement. Yet the courtroom obstacles to proving entrapment are significant, one of the reasons the stings persist.
The lengthy report, released on Monday by Human Rights Watch, raises questions about the US criminal justice system's ability to respect civil rights and due process in post-9/11 terrorism cases. It portrays a system that features not just the sting operations but secret evidence, anonymous juries, extensive pretrial detentions and convictions significantly removed from actual plots.
"In some cases the FBI may have created terrorists out of law-abiding individuals by suggesting the idea of taking terrorist action or encouraging the target to act," the report alleges.
Out of the 494 cases related to terrorism the US has tried since 9/11, the plurality of convictions – 18% overall – are not for thwarted plots but for "material support" charges, a broad category expanded further by the 2001 Patriot Act that permits prosecutors to pursue charges with tenuous connections to a terrorist act or group.
In one such incident, the initial basis for a material-support case alleging a man provided "military gear" to al-Qaida turned out to be waterproof socks in his luggage.
Several cases featured years-long solitary confinement for accused terrorists before their trials. Some defendants displayed signs of mental incapacity. Jurors for the 2007 plot to attack the Fort Dix army base, itself influenced by government informants, were anonymous, limiting defense counsel's ability to screen out bias.
Human Rights Watch’s findings call into question the post-9/11 shift taken by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies toward stopping terrorist plots before they occur. While the vast majority of counterterrorism tactics involved are legally authorized, particularly after Congress and successive administrations relaxed restrictions on law enforcement and intelligence agencies for counterterrorism, they suggest that the government’s zeal to protect Americans has in some cases morphed into manufacturing threats.
The report focuses primarily on 27 cases and accordingly stops short of drawing systemic conclusions. It also finds several trials and convictions for "deliberate attempts at terrorism or terrorism financing" that it does not challenge.
The four high-profile domestic plots it found free of government involvement were the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing; Najibullah Zazi's 2009 plot to bomb the New York subway; the attempted Times Square carbombing of 2010; and the 2002 shooting at Los Angeles International Airport's El Al counter.
But the report is a rare attempt at a critical overview of a system often touted by the Obama administration and civil libertarian groups as a rigorous, capable and just alternative to the military tribunals and indefinite detention advocated by conservative critics. It comes as new pressure mounts on a variety of counterterrorism practices, from the courtroom use of warrantless surveillance to the no-fly list and law enforcement's "suspicious activity reports" database.
In particular, Human Rights Watch examines the extent and impact of law enforcement's use of terrorism informants, who can both steer people into attempted acts of violence and chill religious or civic behaviour in the communities they penetrate.
Linda Sarsour, the executive director of the Arab American Association of New York, a social services agency, told the Guardian she almost has a "radar for informants" sent to infiltrate her Brooklyn community.
While the FBI has long relied on confidential informants to alert them to criminal activity, for terrorism cases informants insert themselves into Muslim mosques, businesses and community gatherings and can cajole people toward a plot “who perhaps would never have participated in a terrorist act on their own initiative”, the study found.
Many trade information for cash. The FBI in 2008 estimated it had 15,000 paid informants. About 30% of post-9/11 terrorism cases are considered sting operations in which informants played an “active role” in incubating plots leading to arrest, according to studies cited in the Human Rights Watch report. Among those roles are making comments “that appeared designed to inflame the targets” on “politically sensitive” subjects, and pushing operations forward if a target’s “opinions were deemed sufficiently troubling”.
Entrapment, the subject of much FBI criticism over the years, is difficult to prove in court. The burden is on a defendant to show he or she was not “predisposed” to commit a violent act, even if induced by a government agent. Human Rights Watch observes that standard focuses attention “not on the crime, but on the nature of the subject”, often against a backdrop where “inflammatory stereotypes and highly charged characterizations of Islam and foreigners often prevail”.
Among the informants themselves there is less ambiguity. “It is all about entrapment,” Craig Monteilh, one such former FBI informant tasked with mosque infiltration, told the Guardian in 2012.
Informants, the study found, sometimes overcome their targets’ stated objections to engage in terrorism. A man convicted in 2006 of attempting to bomb the Herald Square subway station in Manhattan told an informant who concocted the plot he would have to check with his mother and was uncomfortable planting the bombs himself. One member of the "Newburgh Four" plot to attack synagogues and military planes – whose case is the subject of an HBO documentary airing on Monday – told his informant “maybe my mission hasn’t come yet”.
Once in court, terrorism cases receive evidentiary and pre-trial leeway rarely afforded to non-terrorism cases. A federal judge in Virginia permitted into evidence statements made by a defendant while in a Saudi jail in which the defendant, Amed Omar Abu Ali, alleged torture, a longstanding practice in Saudi Arabia. The evidence formed the basis for a conviction, and eventually a life sentence, for conspiracy to assassinate George W Bush. Mohammed Warsame, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, was held in solitary confinement for five years before his trial.
Another implication of the law-enforcement tactics cited the report is a deepening alienation of American Muslims from a government that publicly insists it needs their support to head off extremism but secretly deploys informants to infiltrate mosques and community centers.
“The best way to prevent violent extremism inspired by violent jihadists is to work with the Muslim American community – which has consistently rejected terrorism – to identify signs of radicalization and partner with law enforcement when an individual is drifting towards violence. And these partnerships can only work when we recognize that Muslims are a fundamental part of the American family,” Obama said in a high-profile 2013 speech.
Yet the Obama administration has needed to purge Islamophobic training materials from FBI counterterrorism, which sparked deep suspicion in US Muslim communities. It is now conducting a review of similar material in the intelligence community after a document leaked by Edward Snowden used the slur “Mohammed Raghead” as a placeholder for Muslims.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-05 14:09:57
I wonder how many disagreements I've had with other posters, the severity of the disagreements (back and forth personal attacks etc.) and have never had to resort to blocking a single person, and yet, have come to see eye to eye, or at the very least, bridge some gaps in order to come to an understanding, even if the ultimate understanding was that we'd never agree on certain topics.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-05 14:10:23
Just block the trolls. You can go through 10 pages of discussions and see opinions being swapped and then BAM!
Enter Jet or King.. and its a god damn troll orgy. I'm seriously going to buy you guys a dictionary, as none of you know the proper usage of this word (or several othersm apparently). He can't see your post.
If he doesn't agree with you, he automatically blocks you and calls you a troll. Don't care.
But that is one example of harassment, just for reference for a certain person.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 14:13:35
Just block the trolls. You can go through 10 pages of discussions and see opinions being swapped and then BAM!
Enter Jet or King.. and its a god damn troll orgy. I'm seriously going to buy you guys a dictionary, as none of you know the proper usage of this word (or several othersm apparently). He can't see your post.
If he doesn't agree with you, he automatically blocks you and calls you a troll. Don't care.
But that is one example of harassment, just for reference for a certain person. I don't care enough to report him, you are more than free to do so if you want.
I wonder how many disagreements I've had with other posters, the severity of the disagreements (back and forth personal attacks etc.) and have never had to resort to blocking a single person, and yet, have come to see eye to eye, or at the very least, bridge some gaps in order to come to an understanding, even if the ultimate understanding was that we'd never agree on certain topics. I don't block people unless I'm told to do so by a moderator.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-02-05 14:14:45
Is it just me or is KB and Jet starting to sound more like good buddies now?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 14:15:33
Is it just me or is KB and Jet starting to sound more like good buddies now? Why not, I'm apparently good friends with Pleebo too.
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