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Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way.
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Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Oh the next two years are going to be fun, if all that gets done is government shut downs due to Congress being inept.
Chaos, want to grab me a ticket out of the country? Jetackuu said: » Oh the next two years are going to be fun, if all that gets done is government shut downs due to Congress being inept. Chaos, want to grab me a ticket out of the country? ah yes, spoken like a true liberal... straight out of the old Barbara Streisand playbook. /whiny nasaly voice when the going gets tough, I'm leaving the country! /takes her marbles and leaves
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Jetackuu said: » Oh the next two years are going to be fun, if all that gets done is government shut downs due to Congress being inept. Chaos, want to grab me a ticket out of the country? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Jet reads "not one single republican vote" as equal culpability. He simply cannot read. How else can that explain his posts about it? Shiva.Nikolce said: » Jetackuu said: » Oh the next two years are going to be fun, if all that gets done is government shut downs due to Congress being inept. Chaos, want to grab me a ticket out of the country? ah yes, spoken like a true liberal... straight out of the old Barbara Streisand playbook. /whiny nasaly voice when the going gets tough, I'm leaving the country! /takes her marbles and leaves Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Well if you refuse to fund the bad laws, the bad laws become ineffective. Ok so they should defund the government until there are no more laws because they are all arbitrary bad laws? Just most of the ones that came out in the last 6 years. Either through regular legislation or executive order (which is illegal for any president to do except this one, he is above the law, he said so!) Asura.Kingnobody said: » Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Well if you refuse to fund the bad laws, the bad laws become ineffective. Ok so they should defund the government until there are no more laws because they are all arbitrary bad laws? Just most of the ones that came out in the last 6 years. Either through regular legislation or executive order (which is illegal for any president to do except this one, he is above the law, he said so!) If asked to furnish a list of the "bad laws" you are talking about, I'm sure you'd come up with 2 or 3, do you have any idea how many laws have been passed in the last 6 years? The president has quite a lot of power afforded to them in terms of executive legislation. It's not unique to Obama, either, what's unique is how pissed people are about the actions he's taken which are still very far short of what many recent presidents have done, Bush and Reagan for example. Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Statistically, you're making a claim you can't back up. Funny how California is always near the top when it comes to illiteracy rates, and we all know how conservative that place is.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Statistically, you're making a claim you can't back up. Funny how California is always near the top when it comes to illiteracy rates, and we all know how conservative that place is. They do have a very high ratio of ESL children, far higher than the other 9 states in the top 10 that are conservative strongholds. You know better than to make that association. Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Statistically, you're making a claim you can't back up. Funny how California is always near the top when it comes to illiteracy rates, and we all know how conservative that place is. They do have a very high ratio of ESL children, far higher than the other 9 states in the top 10 that are conservative strongholds. You know better than to make that association. New York isn't a conservative stronghold. But if you look at those "conservative strongholds" with high illiteracy rates, *shock*, most of the them have high immigration rates too. Nice try. Edit: Not to mention, if you look at the states with the highest literacy rates, almost all of them are conservative states. No matter how you look at it, Jet's full of crap.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Statistically, you're making a claim you can't back up. Funny how California is always near the top when it comes to illiteracy rates, and we all know how conservative that place is. They do have a very high ratio of ESL children, far higher than the other 9 states in the top 10 that are conservative strongholds. You know better than to make that association. New York isn't a conservative stronghold. But if you look at those "conservative strongholds" with high illiteracy rates, *shock*, most of the them have high immigration rates too. Nice try. Edit: Not to mention, if you look at the states with the highest literacy rates, almost all of them are conservative states. No matter how you look at it, Jet's full of crap. I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? However, the majority of the Hispanic community do tend to be sided with liberal issues, because of the "promises" associated with immigration.... Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? What planet do you live on? I haven't seen the latest demographics from the midterm elections, but in recent years they've voted 60%+ Democrat, 30-40% Republican in major elections. And when you look at how many of them self-identify as Democrat or Republican, it's even more of a divide.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? However, the majority of the Hispanic community do tend to be sided with liberal issues, because of the "promises" associated with immigration.... Actually, and I hate generalizing like this, the Hispanic people who lean conservative do so in line with religious right social policies like abortion. Education as a metric swings very heavily depending on level of higher education and field. Asura.Kingnobody said: » You are correct, there are a good portion of the Hispanic community who aren't liberal. Those are the ones that generally have an education. Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? However, the majority of the Hispanic community do tend to be sided with liberal issues, because of the "promises" associated with immigration.... Actually, and I hate generalizing like this, the Hispanic people who lean conservative do so in line with religious right social policies like abortion. Education as a metric swings very heavily depending on level of higher education and field. Edit: Before Flavin flips a lid.  Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? What planet do you live on? I haven't seen the latest demographics from the midterm elections, but in recent years they've voted 60%+ Democrat, 30-40% Republican in major elections. And when you look at how many of them self-identify as Democrat or Republican, it's even more of a divide. Have you looked at the average age of Hispanic Americans? Their demographics have changed significantly in the last decade. They are the fastest growing portion of the American population and are increasingly conservative and religious. They are one of the few groups whose millennials aren't incredibly a-religious. The last exit polls I saw for Hispanics were 2012, and it was more like 45% dem 35% rep, which is still a large spread, but not the exclusivity that people claim. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Jet reads "not one single republican vote" as equal culpability. He simply cannot read. How else can that explain his posts about it? Who cares if they helped draft it? Or if they aided in brainstorming sessions about it. They all voted against it. All you can hold them accountable for is taking part in creating a bill, not making a law. Drafted bills aren't laws. Period. Liberals & communists downright refuse to accept the fact that their ideology is now deemed by the electorate as responsible for the misery of the last 6 years and the resulting ***-whooping that ensued from said realization last Tuesday was a call to stop it. What do we hear from the choir on this site? 'Well the republicans and tea baggers are just as responsible'. No, they're not!
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? However, the majority of the Hispanic community do tend to be sided with liberal issues, because of the "promises" associated with immigration.... Actually, and I hate generalizing like this, the Hispanic people who lean conservative do so in line with religious right social policies like abortion. Education as a metric swings very heavily depending on level of higher education and field. Edit: Before Flavin flips a lid. This has nothing to do with education, bud. Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I wouldn't state what he did as fact, but using California to invalidate it is the same incredible claim. To be fair, he associated conservatism with literacy rate. He never said anything about native speakers, so all liberals were fair game. ESL doesn't necessarily mean liberal. Even the Hispanic community isn't overpoweringly liberal, let alone the 180+ other countries that immigrants come from. And since when is countering a fallacious idea with a similarly fallacious idea ever constructive? However, the majority of the Hispanic community do tend to be sided with liberal issues, because of the "promises" associated with immigration.... Actually, and I hate generalizing like this, the Hispanic people who lean conservative do so in line with religious right social policies like abortion. Education as a metric swings very heavily depending on level of higher education and field. Edit: Before Flavin flips a lid. This has nothing to do with education, bud. Odin.Jassik said: » Actually, and I hate generalizing like this, the Hispanic people who lean conservative do so in line with religious right social policies like abortion. Education as a metric swings very heavily depending on level of higher education and field. Since you made an incorrect assertion that Hispanic conservatives fall in line with the "religious right social policies like abortion," maybe you should look at the graph that you quoted again. Here, let me hold your hand while you look at this graph one more time: Was that so hard? Notice that a group that mostly identify themselves as Democrats (or leaning towards them) also support a "religious right social policy like abortion"? Care to explain? You claimed that education was the dividing line then furnished a graph with hispanics identifying as republicans at nearly the same rate as whites. Also, where's the column for how many identify as democrat and how many don't identify with a major party?
The graph challenges nothing either me of Flavin said. Try again. Odin.Jassik said: » You claimed that education was the dividing line then furnished a graph with hispanics identifying as republicans at nearly the same rate as whites. Also, where's the column for how many identify as democrat and how many don't identify with a major party? I'm sorry that there are more successful Hispanics here in San Antonio who identify themselves as Republican than Democrat. I should have said "it seems like there are more successful Republicans than democrat/liberals, especially in the Hispanic community." As for the chart, I'm surprised at you. Either you are being obtuse on purpose, or you have been faking intelligence all along. Either way, it doesn't look good for you. I'm sure that you will deny that chart showing that the lack of identified Republicans in the Hispanic community, but strong support against abortion, has any meaning. What about this is hard to understand, 44% of americans identify as independent, only about 25% identify as republicans. Your chart shows 3 different figures with no actual population figures, one of them being HIGHER than the average. You failed to demonstrate what you think you're demonstrating. Heads up, just because 100% is the whole doesn't mean that everyone subscribes to 1 party or the other.
Odin.Jassik said: » What about this is hard to understand, 44% of americans identify as independent, only about 25% identify as republicans. Your chart shows 3 different figures with no actual population figures, one of them being HIGHER than the average. You failed to demonstrate what you think you're demonstrating. Heads up, just because 100% is the whole doesn't mean that everyone subscribes to 1 party or the other. Did you get these numbers from the same people who polled the midterm elections? Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jetackuu said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » lrn2read Statistically coming from a conservative that's rather funny, in the ironic way. Statistically, you're making a claim you can't back up. Funny how California is always near the top when it comes to illiteracy rates, and we all know how conservative that place is. They do have a very high ratio of ESL children, far higher than the other 9 states in the top 10 that are conservative strongholds. You know better than to make that association. New York isn't a conservative stronghold. But if you look at those "conservative strongholds" with high illiteracy rates, *shock*, most of the them have high immigration rates too. Nice try. Edit: Not to mention, if you look at the states with the highest literacy rates, almost all of them are conservative states. No matter how you look at it, Jet's full of crap. But... Jet told me that everything he says is Fact and he doesn't have to bother with backing up anything because he is educated. I dunno if I can keep on posting on this site knowing that practically everything Jet says is an unprovable lie..
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