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Random Politics & Religion #00
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Jetackuu said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. What's liberal and conservative doesn't really change dude, you're confused. You're thinking Democrat and Republican and their platforms, they're fluid and change with times. Not the standard to which we judge this over time (granted it will eventually change). But then again how's the saying go: "say a lie enough times and it will become true" or some ***? Is that the plan for Benghazi? Or the birthers. or global warming deniers. or the IRS "scandal" or that Obama is a Socialist OWDS is evil We need to take America back! We need god back in the schools God hates ***! Solyndra (my personal favorite, although Benghazi comes close) for the children! how many other delusions or lies do the "conservatives" want to spread? to be fair, the "liberals" are almost as guilty with that nonsense: bridge thing the bastardization that Unions have become guns are evil for the children! (I'm tired now, enter some ***here Jassik.) put what you want to see in quotes and put actuality in spoilers since you can't handle the truth. Looks to me like you watch way to much fox, msnbc, and cnn. It comes down to one thing, do you want more government or lees government. While voting liberal democrat you're 100% proof positive to get more government. While voting for Rand Paul MAYBE we could get rid of some of this overextended beast of a government we have now maybe... Since you and jassik like having the government run your lives, I consider you LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats. I don't believe I've ever identified myself on these forums as a republican, but minimizing spending, especially wasteful spending, is absolutely conservative. Privacy and civil liberties are absolutely libertarian. Also, liberal isn't socialist, they are unique things. Socialism isn't communism. Fascism isn't capitalism. I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. And not a single political party embodies any of those ideologies. You are lumped in with the Donald Trumps of the world because you fall victim to the same ridiculous stereotypes. You also seem to be mistaken about me. I rarely give my personal opinion on political matters, but if you want to conflate living in reality with being a liberal, call me whatever you like and I'll wear it as a badge of honor. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats. If jassik is a pure red conservative republican, may as well call me a Donkey.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats. I don't believe I've ever identified myself on these forums as a republican, but minimizing spending, especially wasteful spending, is absolutely conservative. Privacy and civil liberties are absolutely libertarian. Also, liberal isn't socialist, they are unique things. Socialism isn't communism. Fascism isn't capitalism. I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. And not a single political party embodies any of those ideologies. You are lumped in with the Donald Trumps of the world because you fall victim to the same ridiculous stereotypes. You also seem to be mistaken about me. I rarely give my personal opinion on political matters, but if you want to conflate living in reality with being a liberal, call me whatever you like and I'll wear it as a badge of honor. The only thing is liberals DO NOT live in reality...
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Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats. I don't believe I've ever identified myself on these forums as a republican, but minimizing spending, especially wasteful spending, is absolutely conservative. Privacy and civil liberties are absolutely libertarian. Also, liberal isn't socialist, they are unique things. Socialism isn't communism. Fascism isn't capitalism. I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. And not a single political party embodies any of those ideologies. You are lumped in with the Donald Trumps of the world because you fall victim to the same ridiculous stereotypes. You also seem to be mistaken about me. I rarely give my personal opinion on political matters, but if you want to conflate living in reality with being a liberal, call me whatever you like and I'll wear it as a badge of honor. The only thing is liberals DO NOT live in reality... You are confusing an ideology with a group of people, reading comprehension isn't your thing.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Yeah, because it makes a ton of sense to label things "conservative" or "liberal" based upon the geopolitical sphere of past decades. Or I could just do what certain people do here and just group everything I like into whatever category I feel that I identify with and live with the delusion. How is that any different than increasing military and croney funding and legislating morality and calling it conservative? Ideology is mostly static. If you want to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on tanks and bombs and tell people what they can do with their bodies, you aren't a libertarian. Political parties aren't ideologies, you're confusing liberal/conservative as democrat/republican. I don't view those things as conservative per se, although the arguments could be made for them. That still doesn't explain how you view yourself as a pure red, conservative Republican when all you ever do is agree with people who present the same views as pure blue, liberal Democrats. I don't believe I've ever identified myself on these forums as a republican, but minimizing spending, especially wasteful spending, is absolutely conservative. Privacy and civil liberties are absolutely libertarian. Also, liberal isn't socialist, they are unique things. Socialism isn't communism. Fascism isn't capitalism. I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. And not a single political party embodies any of those ideologies. You are lumped in with the Donald Trumps of the world because you fall victim to the same ridiculous stereotypes. You also seem to be mistaken about me. I rarely give my personal opinion on political matters, but if you want to conflate living in reality with being a liberal, call me whatever you like and I'll wear it as a badge of honor. The only thing is liberals DO NOT live in reality... You are confusing an ideology with a group of people, reading comprehension isn't your thing. No I'm not, you are once again making assumptions.
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Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you?
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. How exactly are the republicans keeping minority's from becoming governors, senators, and presidents? Owning business's, homes, cars, anything they could possibly want?..... Your right Republicans really suck at doing their job. Edit: and yea you called yourself a red conservative republican or something along those lines, I remember the thread Ravel is getting this from.
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Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. How exactly are the republicans keeping minority's from becoming governors, senators, and presidents? Owning business's, homes, cars, anything they could possibly want?..... Your right Republicans really suck at doing their job. There are plenty of minorities that aren't racial. Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. So the answer to my question is "nothing" then. And lol at thinking that minority issues are the only thing separating the Republicans and Democrats. If you really think that, I have a bridge to sell you. Odin.Jassik said: » I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? Ooo, I have a quote to go fish out now.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. How exactly are the republicans keeping minority's from becoming governors, senators, and presidents? Owning business's, homes, cars, anything they could possibly want?..... Your right Republicans really suck at doing their job. There are plenty of minorities that aren't racial. Are they LEGAL? Edit: screw it I don't even care, anyone who thinks someone is "educated" just because they partied at a college and paid for a degree doesn't understand much of anything anyways. Altimaomega said: » Looks to me like you watch way to much fox, msnbc, and cnn. It comes down to one thing, do you want more government or lees government. While voting liberal democrat you're 100% proof positive to get more government. While voting for Rand Paul MAYBE we could get rid of some of this overextended beast of a government we have now maybe... Since you and jassik like having the government run your lives, I consider you LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I don't watch any of those thank you, and no it is not that simple at all, which is why people laugh at you for being an ignorant fool. I'm liberal on some things, conservative on others, and by no means a democrat, which is why you're considered wrong. Bahamut.Ravael said: » So the answer to my question is "nothing" then. And lol at thinking that minority issues are the only thing separating the Republicans and Democrats. If you really think that, I have a bridge to sell you. If you think spending is something that separates them, you're delusional. Quote: Odin.Jassik said: » I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? Ooo, I have a quote to go fish out now. I'll save you the trouble. You won't find it, because I've never said it or even thought it. Odin.Jassik said: » Fascism isn't capitalism. Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. How exactly are the republicans keeping minority's from becoming governors, senators, and presidents? Owning business's, homes, cars, anything they could possibly want?..... Your right Republicans really suck at doing their job. There are plenty of minorities that aren't racial. Are they LEGAL? Edit: screw it I don't even care, anyone who thinks someone is "educated" just because they partied at a college and paid for a degree doesn't understand much of anything anyways. If any intelligent person were to compare a statistician and a farmer on level of education... Ravael's an educated person.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » So the answer to my question is "nothing" then. And lol at thinking that minority issues are the only thing separating the Republicans and Democrats. If you really think that, I have a bridge to sell you. If you think spending is something that separates them, you're delusional. Quote: Odin.Jassik said: » I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? Ooo, I have a quote to go fish out now. I'll save you the trouble. You won't find it, because I've never said it or even thought it. Glad to hear that spending and minority issues are the only political issues in the world. Also, as much as I love the backtracking, I will find where you said that. Don't go deleting old posts now!
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Jassik, will you please fit yourself into an easily-defined category so contrary opinions can be more easily formed around stereotyped ideologies instead of logical reasoning? kkthx ^^
This is golden.
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Altimaomega said: » Are they LEGAL? Edit: screw it I don't even care, anyone who thinks someone is "educated" just because they partied at a college and paid for a degree doesn't understand much of anything anyways. Jetackuu said: » Altimaomega said: » Looks to me like you watch way to much fox, msnbc, and cnn. It comes down to one thing, do you want more government or lees government. While voting liberal democrat you're 100% proof positive to get more government. While voting for Rand Paul MAYBE we could get rid of some of this overextended beast of a government we have now maybe... Since you and jassik like having the government run your lives, I consider you LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I don't watch any of those thank you, and no it is not that simple at all, which is why people laugh at you for being an ignorant fool. I'm liberal on some things, conservative on others, and by no means a democrat, which is why you're considered wrong. /facepalm I swear its like talking to a wall. Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Jassik, will you please fit yourself into an easily-defined category so contrary opinions can be more easily formed around stereotyped ideologies instead of logical reasoning? kkthx ^^
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » So the answer to my question is "nothing" then. And lol at thinking that minority issues are the only thing separating the Republicans and Democrats. If you really think that, I have a bridge to sell you. If you think spending is something that separates them, you're delusional. Quote: Odin.Jassik said: » I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? Ooo, I have a quote to go fish out now. I'll save you the trouble. You won't find it, because I've never said it or even thought it. Glad to hear that spending and minority issues are the only political issues in the world. Also, as much as I love the backtracking, I will find where you said that. Don't go deleting old posts now! There are plenty of things that separate the political parties, but there are far more things that don't. Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Jassik, will you please fit yourself into an easily-defined category so contrary opinions can be more easily formed around stereotyped ideologies instead of logical reasoning? kkthx ^^ Can't make me! Altimaomega said: » Jetackuu said: » Altimaomega said: » Looks to me like you watch way to much fox, msnbc, and cnn. It comes down to one thing, do you want more government or lees government. While voting liberal democrat you're 100% proof positive to get more government. While voting for Rand Paul MAYBE we could get rid of some of this overextended beast of a government we have now maybe... Since you and jassik like having the government run your lives, I consider you LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I don't watch any of those thank you, and no it is not that simple at all, which is why people laugh at you for being an ignorant fool. I'm liberal on some things, conservative on others, and by no means a democrat, which is why you're considered wrong. /facepalm I swear its like talking to a wall. Odin.Jassik said: » There are plenty of things that separate the political parties, but there are far more things that don't. Well, they're both run by scumbags who want to control the populace in their own unique ways, so I'll give you that.
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Both parties have their own spin on fascism, it's a matter of how you chose to be oppressed.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Altimaomega said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Odin.Jassik said: » I also have a beef with libertarianism being considered a conservative thing, it isn't necessarily either conservative or liberal. Then do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a red conservative. At best you're a blue-leaning libertarian. If the Democrats had a new-found desire to cut spending, what would be the difference between them and you? I've never called myself a "red" anything. Why should I be inclined to do you any favors? And if the republicans had a new-found desire to stop oppressing minority groups what would be the difference between them and dems? You think moving the goalposts makes your position remotely legitimate? I still don't understand how an educated person can bend so far backwards to adhere to a partisan architecture. It's sad. How exactly are the republicans keeping minority's from becoming governors, senators, and presidents? Owning business's, homes, cars, anything they could possibly want?..... Your right Republicans really suck at doing their job. There are plenty of minorities that aren't racial. Are they LEGAL? Edit: screw it I don't even care, anyone who thinks someone is "educated" just because they partied at a college and paid for a degree doesn't understand much of anything anyways. If any intelligent person were to compare a statistician and a farmer on level of education... Ravael's an educated person. Nothing to do with Ravael, you are constantly bemoaning peoples education. Being intelligent and having a bought education are two different things. I don't expect someone like you to understand that though, so stay the coarse with your true ignorance. Oh look, he's trying to use "fancy" words and can't even do that right.
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