as for the rest of your post: you'd have to ask Leo about the discs, but iirc he said something about the way DNAS works, and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM.
PS2 does load faster, I've been saying that for ages, not just in this thread.
They do need to optimize their code more, from what I understand they were supposed to do that some with this expansion.
As for the PS2 code, the entire game is coded for the ps2, the other platforms are bad ports, take what you will of that.
[Dev] Seekers Of Adoulin Not Supporting NA PS2
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[Dev] Seekers of Adoulin not supporting NA PS2
Why not offer everything as a d/l on PSN? I would think most people who used PS2 for the game have a PS3 and can switch over.
Jetackuu said: » they never wanted to give users a lot of inventory space, and they gave the ram excuse for years and they still managed to increase the space, so not buying it. They just keep adding more arrays to put stuff in. That's why you can't go sack -> satchel. There's apparently only 161 slots in the visible-items-array or what have you (gil is an item), and your inventory is always loaded up. So they can keep adding 80-something's, but can't go a drop higher. Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » Why not offer everything as a d/l on PSN? I would think most people who used PS2 for the game have a PS3 and can switch over. Jetackuu said: » and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM. you are correct JP hardware wouldnt work in an NA/EU system, its a differant format and Architecture.
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Sylph.Aleeanne said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » Why not offer everything as a d/l on PSN? I would think most people who used PS2 for the game have a PS3 and can switch over. Jetackuu said: » and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM. you are correct JP hardware wouldnt work in an NA/EU system, its a differant format and Architecture. Actually they have started to release ps2 games as digital download for the slim ps3 now so they could release the game for it but they might not choose to if there is no demand Asura.Joslyn said: » Sylph.Aleeanne said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » Why not offer everything as a d/l on PSN? I would think most people who used PS2 for the game have a PS3 and can switch over. Jetackuu said: » and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM. you are correct JP hardware wouldnt work in an NA/EU system, its a differant format and Architecture. Actually they have started to release ps2 games as digital download for the slim ps3 now so they could release the game for it but they might not choose to if there is no demand aahhh ok, well i'm not a PS3 owner, my GF is, she would know more than me. i didnt know they started doing that, but yeah your right, wouldnt be enough of a demand to warrant putting it out to even make a profit. plus with all the differant expansions, wow that would be one hell of a download LOL. Siren.Kalilla said: »
Have to say: This is about 5 years too late coming, but still an excellent idea. i bit the bullet and ordered PC 11 will only use it for new add on stuff sense i will always prefure PS2 and if they finally give PS2 it later on i will just put the pc version away till my PS2 dies >.>
Quetzalcoatl.Gencay said: » i bit the bullet and ordered PC 11 will only use it for new add on stuff sense i will always prefure PS2 and if they finally give PS2 it later on i will just put the pc version away till my PS2 dies >.> Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » Jetackuu said: » they never wanted to give users a lot of inventory space, and they gave the ram excuse for years and they still managed to increase the space, so not buying it. They just keep adding more arrays to put stuff in. That's why you can't go sack -> satchel. There's apparently only 161 slots in the visible-items-array or what have you (gil is an item), and your inventory is always loaded up. So they can keep adding 80-something's, but can't go a drop higher. makes sense. so would you say it's an ide thing or no? or not sure? Bismarck.Elanabelle said: » Siren.Kalilla said: »
Have to say: This is about 5 years too late coming, but still an excellent idea. how so? and how so? it was probably not a decision they enjoyed, but were forced to due to the circumstances of the NA market. Nice ignorant comments though... Jetackuu said: » as for the rest of your post: you'd have to ask Leo about the discs, but iirc he said something about the way DNAS works, and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM. PS2 does load faster, I've been saying that for ages, not just in this thread. They do need to optimize their code more, from what I understand they were supposed to do that some with this expansion. As for the PS2 code, the entire game is coded for the ps2, the other platforms are bad ports, take what you will of that. Equipment for making Japanese discs can be easily changed to make USA or PAL discs. That's not a issue at all. PS2 has 38GB of video bandwidth and 3.2GB of main RAM bandwidth... Given that it's kernel is quite "lean" and it also have a 32bit auxiliary CPU to offload I/O from the main CPU and the vector units (what PS2 has as 3D shader) that deal with 3D model tracing are part of the CPU, that should explain: Why the code is so platform specific that PC and XBOX360 versions suffer in performance (CPU based rendering) Why they originally put blame on the PS2 (they probably regret doing that now, as it's coming back to bite their butt) But then here is why they put PS2 for NA in the back burner: There's no retail outlets for the discs. Oh and like I said previously ALL versions of FFXI have Japanese, English, German and French text in the code, including XBOX360 and PS2 versions. The PS2 FFXI install discs (from 2008 collection onwards) use a multi region installer and if you manage to boot it on a PAL PS2 and manage to make it boot, it will try to install FFXI using a bogus product code SLES-00000 but it proves that SE went into the trouble of coding at least the installer for the PAL version of FFXI for PS2. But then looking at their style of coding it's very possible that the code for a PAL version of the client is dormant inside the game executable. I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but all regional variations of FFXI for a given platform have the exact same files. At the current version, Windows FFXI has only one file different with JP and NA clients. "patch2.cfg" which on the Japanese client is empty and on NA client has some files listed. Jetackuu said: » Bismarck.Elanabelle said: » Siren.Kalilla said: »
Have to say: This is about 5 years too late coming, but still an excellent idea. how so? and how so? it was probably not a decision they enjoyed, but were forced to due to the circumstances of the NA market. Nice ignorant comments though... Jet, I'll never understand you, and I'll guess that really doesn't phase you. The PS2 is/was a fine piece of machinery that LONG outlasted the normal "lifespan" for a video game console. But really, it's WAY past its prime at this point, and it's been past its prime for years. I know that you believe everything in the world is subjective, and that few opinions matter that aren't your own. Still, I can't fathom why you "defend" the PS2. Do you still watch movies on VHS? Call your friends on a Zack Morris style shoebox-sized cell phone? Write letters on a typewriter? Come on, dude. To me, the issue about the PS2 and FFXI doesn't hinge on whether "PS2 Limitations" are a truth or a pastiche. The issue is that the PS2 is old, out-of-date, and it's been replaced on the market. To my knowledge, no studios publish games for the PS2 anymore, and very, very few retailers sell software for the PS2 anymore. It's part of the past now, like Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis ... and Zack Morris and your VHS tape "rewinder". How does something being outdated have a direct impact on you though? Most things are no longer up to date, so by your logic, they shouldn't be in use anymore.
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Odin.Tsuneo said: » How does something being outdated have a direct impact on you though? It doesn't. It's just prudent to keep up with the times, in my experience. Otherwise one ends up wearing "carpenter" style jeans, drinking "Red Dog" beer, and listening to ska music on one's Discman. It's just not ok anymore. Who decides what is acceptable and what isn't?
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Odin.Tsuneo said: » Quetzalcoatl.Gencay said: » i bit the bullet and ordered PC 11 will only use it for new add on stuff sense i will always prefure PS2 and if they finally give PS2 it later on i will just put the pc version away till my PS2 dies >.> hmm idk just the way i am. i have used PS2 sense 2004 and enjoyed playing on it, probably one of the few that can type good with the on screen Keyboard ^^; just kinda annoys me there forcing us to change after so long :/ Odin.Tsuneo said: » Quetzalcoatl.Gencay said: » i bit the bullet and ordered PC 11 will only use it for new add on stuff sense i will always prefure PS2 and if they finally give PS2 it later on i will just put the pc version away till my PS2 dies >.> I myself, started this game on PS2. I have played every day that I have played the game on PS2. I tried the PC version I honestly stood there trying to figure out how to move. Without a controller, I don't think i would enjoy the game quite so much. Plus, I only have a laptop at the moment and I do other stuff while playing the game on my laptop. Catch up on manga, watch anime, look stuff up as I am doing it. I don't want to be forced to a new system to play a game I enjoy. The controller excuse isn't even valid because a PS2 controller can be used on the PC version as well.
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Logitech Wireless Gamepad F710 works great on p.c. As for keyboard I use the Logitech keyboard K360 (wireless). Got both them on sale couple months ago at radio shack. Also get the Belkin USB 2.0 4 or 8 port travel hub. You won't regret it. Asura.Joslyn said: » Sylph.Aleeanne said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » Why not offer everything as a d/l on PSN? I would think most people who used PS2 for the game have a PS3 and can switch over. Jetackuu said: » and if I am right the equipment for JP can't be used for the NA version, but I may be wrong, blame Sony+DRM. you are correct JP hardware wouldnt work in an NA/EU system, its a differant format and Architecture. Actually they have started to release ps2 games as digital download for the slim ps3 now so they could release the game for it but they might not choose to if there is no demand Well this thread here, and others on here and different sites, is proof that there is a demand. I know some people are on here being idiots saying "About time" thinking it will make the game look like Crysis over night or something, but many on here don't want to give up their PS2 for PC or Xbox. Kolvar, the only reason I switch to p.c because ps2 and ps3 has a lot of issues, when I was doing WOG mission and other missions.
All I can really tell you, it was the best decision i done by switching to p.c Odin.Tsuneo said: » The controller excuse isn't even valid because a PS2 controller can be used on the PC version as well. It's not just the controller, I know it would be very simple to link my PS3 controller to my laptop, but my laptop screen isn't 46inches wide. The controller comment was a minor issue, we all knew that. The main issue, is that I shouldn't have to change to different a medium. I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this.
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TV excuse doesn't really work either. I play on a 32 inch hdtv.
Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this. Tru da :/ Bismarck.Elanabelle said: » Jetackuu said: » Code [quote='Bismarck.Elanabelle' pid=1932467][quote='Siren.Kalilla' pid=1927480][div id=Update1][table cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0px"][tr][td colspan="2" style="color:#FFFFFF;background-color:#3E4464" class='p-3'] 06-26-2012 06:42 PM[table style="float:right" cellpadding="0"][tr][td style="font-size:x-small;"][b][[url=http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24596-FINAL-FANTASY-XI%C2%AE-Seekers-of-Adoulin?p=330245#post330245]source[/url]][/b][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][tr][td valign="top" align="center" style="width:110px;background-color:#A8D0D7" class='p-5'][table cellpadding="0" style="width:100%"][tr][td style="font: 18px verdana; color: red;"]Bayohne[/td][/tr][tr][td style="font-size:x-small;"]Community Rep[/td][/tr][tr][td][img]http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/images/avatars/Morbol.jpg[/img][/td][/tr][/table] [/td][td rowspan="2" width="660px" background="http://kalilla.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/admin-post.png" style="background-repeat: no-repeat;background-position:top right;background-color:#E3F0F2;" class='p-5']Greetings, I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.[/td][/tr][tr][td valign="bottom" align="center" style="width:110px;background-color:#A8D0D7"][table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"][tr][td][url=http://feeds.rapidfeeds.com/46599/][img]http://www.rapidfeeds.com/feedsmanager/chix_pix/feed2.png[/img][/url][/td][td width="3"][/td][td class='p-5'][b][url=http://feeds.rapidfeeds.com/46599/]Subscribe[/url][/b][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/table][/quote] Have to say: This is about 5 years too late coming, but still an excellent idea.[/quote] how so? and how so? it was probably not a decision they enjoyed, but were forced to due to the circumstances of the NA market. Nice ignorant comments though...[/quote] Jet, I'll never understand you, and I'll guess that really doesn't phase you. The PS2 is/was a fine piece of machinery that LONG outlasted the normal "lifespan" for a video game console. But really, it's WAY past its prime at this point, and it's been past its prime for years. I know that you believe everything in the world is subjective, and that few opinions matter that aren't your own. Still, I can't fathom why you "defend" the PS2. Do you still watch movies on VHS? Call your friends on a Zack Morris style shoebox-sized cell phone? Write letters on a typewriter? Come on, dude. To me, the issue about the PS2 and FFXI doesn't hinge on whether "PS2 Limitations" are a truth or a pastiche. The issue is that the PS2 is old, out-of-date, and it's been replaced on the market. To my knowledge, no studios publish games for the PS2 anymore, and very, very few retailers sell software for the PS2 anymore. It's part of the past now, like Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis ... and Zack Morris and your VHS tape "rewinder". that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand and your comments, nice try at trying to save face at your ignorant comments though. Bismarck.Angeleus said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this. Tru da :/ agreed v.v Bismarck.Angeleus said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this. Tru da :/ Maybe increase HDD size? Then offer expansion on PS2 by download from Playonline Viewer? If I recall, the HDD for PS2 is just a network adapter with support for IDE hard drives? I know it sucks a lot that they're dropping the new expansion for PS2 but it wouldn't be good financially for SE just to make a English version of it for North America for only a small fraction of players. To be honest getting hold of a copy of FFXI for PC isn't too difficult or costly, try looking on Ebay or similar for just the discs. CEX (Computer Exchange) sold me discs for FFXI for really cheap considering they have no registration codes with it. I don't know if its wise to post this, but you can practically download ISO's for FFXI and all the expansions if you know where to look. You won't require the codes since you already have content ID's, etc.. Oh, and from someone that owns all 3 different platforms for FFXI, avoid the 360 version. Horrific. I have a Japanese FFXI for PS2..textures & resolution aren't fantastic, but far more stable then the Xbox version. KInd of sucks now that you have to choose between a PC or a lame port for 360 just to play the new expansion >< It's not really much of a choice, but they'll have to decide if they want to try to release it later, if so they'll have to figure out a different way to do it.
Bismarck.Oldmancebi said: » Bismarck.Angeleus said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this. Tru da :/ Maybe increase HDD size? Then offer expansion on PS2 by download from Playonline Viewer? If I recall, the HDD for PS2 is just a network adapter with support for IDE hard drives? I know it sucks a lot that they're dropping the new expansion for PS2 but it wouldn't be good financially for SE just to make a English version of it for North America for only a small fraction of players. To be honest getting hold of a copy of FFXI for PC isn't too difficult or costly, try looking on Ebay or similar for just the discs. CEX (Computer Exchange) sold me a discs for FFXI for really cheap considering they have no registration codes with it. I don't know if its wise to post this, but you can practically download ISO's for FFXI and all the expansions if you know where to look. You won't require the codes since you already have content ID's, etc.. Oh, and from someone that owns all 3 different platforms for FFXI, avoid the 360 version. Horrific. I have a Japanese FFXI for PS2..textures & resolution aren't fantastic, but far more stable then the Xbox version. KInd of sucks now that you have to choose between a PC or a lame port for 360 just to play the new expansion >< the hdd partition has already been increased for the ps2. no the hdd for the ps2 is just that, a hdd, you do however need the network adapter to use it, and XI willnot load if you swap out the hdd (blame Sony's DNAS?) Bismarck.Oldmancebi said: » Bismarck.Angeleus said: » Lakshmi.Kolvar said: » I have played this game on PS2 since the Beta. I have gone through 3 PS2s and 4 network adapters. I have replaced 5 keyboards and several controllers. I have spent full retail on 4 disc and 3 add-ons. Now, they want me to rebuy the game and an expansion. Plus take a week or more to relearn to the play the game. Sorry, this has got to be one of SEs biggest bad choices in regards to FFXI ever. In my opinion, anyone switching from PS2 to Xbox or PC should get a free game plus the expansion free. They are making it very difficult for us when there are other options they could use to not do this. Tru da :/ Maybe increase HDD size? Then offer expansion on PS2 by download from Playonline Viewer? If I recall, the HDD for PS2 is just a network adapter with support for IDE hard drives? I know it sucks a lot that they're dropping the new expansion for PS2 but it wouldn't be good financially for SE just to make a English version of it for North America for only a small fraction of players. To be honest getting hold of a copy of FFXI for PC isn't too difficult or costly, try looking on Ebay or similar for just the discs. CEX (Computer Exchange) sold me discs for FFXI for really cheap considering they have no registration codes with it. I don't know if its wise to post this, but you can practically download ISO's for FFXI and all the expansions if you know where to look. You won't require the codes since you already have content ID's, etc.. Oh, and from someone that owns all 3 different platforms for FFXI, avoid the 360 version. Horrific. I have a Japanese FFXI for PS2..textures & resolution aren't fantastic, but far more stable then the Xbox version. KInd of sucks now that you have to choose between a PC or a lame port for 360 just to play the new expansion >< on that one part they did increase HDD size in a way --> gave us 9 more GBS to use. any ways i think SE mostly did it just for the japanese PS2 users though :/ edited: jet beat me >.> |
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