Askar Head For Samurai?
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Askar Head for Samurai?
I'm impressed. Didn't think he'd even have that much.
quote=Quetzalcoatl.Volkomaskar is a good piece if:
-you don't wanna use walmart turban -you don't have a ws helmet with more than 4str -you want to save inventory space askar head is never ok. Its 100 times easier to get a walhara turban, and turban is much better. if you wear wearing ZERO haste gear and have zero haste buffs, turban is already better, because 1% haste is always +1% dmg, and 4 str is always less than +0.5% damage. if you have decent gear and have some support, turban is more like +2% dmg and askar... still <0.5%. It is not a decent ws piece because wyvern helm costs 10k. Stop finding excuse to keep it, if you wanna save invo space, toss it. what's more turban is all jobs unlike askar, so your invo space argument doesn't matter... Quote: if you wear wearing ZERO haste gear and have zero haste buffs, turban is already better, Bogus claim, if your acc is uncapped, 3 acc > 1% haste @ 0% haste and no haste buffs. Askar is stupid unless you need the dex on a WS because 1. Walahra is easier to get and 2. Wyvern helm is like 30k.
So let me get this straight here~
Walahra Turban: HP/MP +30 Haste +5% Askar Zucchetto: Def:23 str+4 dex+4 vit+4 haste +4% Ace's Helm: Def:28 str+4 acc+7 eva-7 haste +4% ---------------------------------------------------- So if you wore walahra turban you get little bit of hp, u attack 5% faster if you wore askar you get some def, 4str = (based off 2handers) 3attack, 4 dex = 3 acc, +2 more def cuz of the 4vit so you'll give those mediocre stats up just to hit 1% faster with walahra turban in a fight that takes roughly 5~30seconds in a merit pt ? and if you get lucky augmenting it win, the wyvern helm that is
1% haste is pretty much never just 1% faster attack speed
ok guys if 1% haste doesnt matter that much than why are people willing to pay so much for dusk+1 gloves
Quote: So let me get this straight here~ Walahra Turban: HP/MP +30 Haste +5% Askar Zucchetto: Def:23 str+4 dex+4 vit+4 haste +4% Ace's Helm: Def:28 str+4 acc+7 eva-7 haste +4% ---------------------------------------------------- So if you wore walahra turban you get little bit of hp, u attack 5% faster if you wore askar you get some def, 4str = (based off 2handers) 3attack, 4 dex = 3 acc, +2 more def cuz of the 4vit so you'll give those mediocre stats up just to hit 1% faster with walahra turban in a fight that takes roughly 5~30seconds in a merit pt ? Length of the fight doesn't matter, as long as the pulls are continuous and you don't run out of mobs, can count it as a large run-on. Turban is better in merit fights, too. Now if you were to fight 5 seconds on, 5 seconds off, you'd have another scenario.
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: So let me get this straight here~ Walahra Turban: HP/MP +30 Haste +5% Askar Zucchetto: Def:23 str+4 dex+4 vit+4 haste +4% Ace's Helm: Def:28 str+4 acc+7 eva-7 haste +4% ---------------------------------------------------- So if you wore walahra turban you get little bit of hp, u attack 5% faster if you wore askar you get some def, 4str = (based off 2handers) 3attack, 4 dex = 3 acc, +2 more def cuz of the 4vit so you'll give those mediocre stats up just to hit 1% faster with walahra turban in a fight that takes roughly 5~30seconds in a merit pt ? You'd have a point if you only pulled one mob throughout the whole party and disbanded after that 30 second fight. 1% increases your DoT and weaponskill frequency, and the difference between the two different sets will be far, far more noticeable after consecutive fights. Turban wins under near ideal circumstances.
Namely; constant chaining, very aggressive playing, capped/nearly capped ACC , high fSTR, high ATT, low dDEX, plenty of other haste and minimal TP overflow. Not all have to be met, but yeah. Doesn't have to be anything near that rly. Only contender is the acc from the dex. Cap acc, and that's the only condition that you really need for Turban to blow askar away. Your haste only needs to be high when your acc isn't capped to compete w/ the damage increase from the 3 acc.
I'd say TP overflow too. Another 16/17 TP isn't going to make up for the need to swing again to get another WS off.
so you guys decided if askar is even worth using?
Could be as little as having relatively high accuracy and already stacking haste, or having haste cast on you to beat Askar. In merit anyway
Caitsith.Linear said: I'd say TP overflow too. Another 16/17 TP isn't going to make up for the need to swing again to get another WS off.
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I'd say it might be decent on thf or blu if they could use it.
i'd say go with whatever one you think looks coolest on you :P both seem good in their own respective ways
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: so you guys decided if askar is even worth using? if you want to collect the whole set Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: i'd say go with whatever one you think looks coolest on you :P both seem good in their own respective ways Too bad your wrong. Askar is only for a. def boost while soloing b. 4% haste will cap you Thats IT Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: i'd say go with whatever one you think looks coolest on you :P both seem good in their own respective ways
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: i'd say go with whatever one you think looks coolest on you :P both seem good in their own respective ways I agree its not a bad piece, just something easier to get is better than it. I can't understand why some people can't grasp the concept of haste =/
Think of it like this... Say you were going out of town for the weekend. It's a long drive, but you're going to take your car. What would get you to your destination quicker? An Increase of 5% Driving speed or +4 Engine HorsePower, 4 New Tires, a brand new paint job., and an increase of 4% driving speed? Hmmm.... lol everyone subs /nin most of hte time while soloing...so whats the def ganna do xD reduce that hit or two u do take by like 20points?
i take +4 horse power, 4 new tires (just incase my old ones were too old, and might go flat) new paint job ^^ and 4% driving speed :D
Honestly, the only reasons to favor one over the other are looks and availability.
Yes, turban is better, but seriously, the difference is so *** small it's hardly parseable. If you want to waste time getting a better looking, but slightly inferior piece for most situations... Go for it. EDIT: Just quit *** arguing. Neither side is going to persuade the other. Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: lol everyone subs /nin most of hte time while soloing...so whats the def ganna do xD reduce that hit or two u do take by like 20points? Not even close to 20 points. Also, I think I'm in the minority who think Turban actually looks good :< Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: lol everyone subs /nin most of hte time while soloing...so whats the def ganna do xD reduce that hit or two u do take by like 20points? wat? What job that wears askar uses /nin for solo? and no, sam doesn't sub nin usually when soloing Here is what I dont understand why people who have kitty pants wear Usukane Hizayoroi when they do not have a full usu set..
Same goes for when they have turban and wear Usukane Somen before getting full usu. Makes me scratch my head. Caitsith.Linear said: Honestly, the only reasons to favor one over the other are looks and availability. Yes, turban is better, but seriously, the difference is so *** small it's hardly parseable. If you want to waste time getting a better looking, but slightly inferior piece for most situations... Go for it. Look at tiphia and black tathlum. Dusk and dusk+1, Pcc and ancient. Haub and haub+1. Individually these are all very small increases. Now, take the person w/ Askar tiphia dusk and pcc and go up vs the person w/ turban black tathlum, dusk+1 and ancient torque. It'll be noticeable if both play to their max potentials. |
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