JUST Upgrade Afterglows If 90s 95s Arent Included

He was stating that he didn't believe under 99 RME had anything to whine about, and referenced his 90 shield and 85 sword.

I just thought it was a bit of a cheeky comment for someone who largely benefited from delve's introduction. The Almace is irrelevant to the discussion, and R/E shields became more useful since Delve.

Don't bother patting yourself on the back. If you outparsed someone that was using a delve weapon, then it was certainly no accomplishment, as they would have to be extremely poor players AND would have to be in something like abyssea or a VW fight, where the other guy didn't have atmas and halfway decent gear.

Right on the poor player part, wrong on the second.

Not an accomplishment though, any decent player is expected to ***over the average Delve owner.

^ Pretty much perfectly summed up.

I never patted myself on the back, I made a statement that people seem to forget very quickly when they discuss delve weapons: the weapon doesn't make the player. The differnce in damage isn't as big as people seem to think, even on the spreadsheets. The point I was making is simple, a 99 RME is far from "worthless". Outclassed by new weapons by a reletively small amount for a reletively short time period.

What's with all this doomsday crap STILL floating around so long after SE made the announcement AND showed stats?

The difference is there all right.

I was able to destroy a few newbies with delve weapons in VW handily too, but they were horrible, and tbh.. I'm very good.

In delve, when I didn't have a delve wep, against a guy with comparable skill to me, it was no contest, he nearly doubled my damage over the course of a run. Was like 240,000 to 430,000. (to be fair, I wasn't getting bard songs and he was)

Mind boggling, no. I've been playing since PS2 release. The thing about the times before Abyssea is that when someone leveled a job they had to actually level it and play it. They learned and developed strategies and tactics on how to play their job because they had to. Now it's whatever the flavor of the month is and someone can have that job leveled to 99 in a day without an ounce of experience on how to play it once they get it to 99. Yes, there have always been bad players. There's just more now since anyone and their mom can get multiple 99 jobs. Back then, most casuals barely had a 75 and the people who did have a 75 were at least decent in their skill sets. It's something we have to expect at this point in the game, and that's fine. Just wish more people would take pride in the jobs they play and the dmg/cures/responsibilities that come with playing those jobs.

Long story short, the percentage of inexperienced 99s (today) compared to inexperienced 75s (at 75 cap) is exponentially greater. That fact alone warrants me all the reasons in the world to be disgusted.

-Fenrir.Genesi

Jobs, weapons, food, sets, buffs, targets.... WAY too many variables besides "comperable skill". A MNK no matter how good will never touch a DRK of similar skill with equal buffs, a WAR without haste can't touch a PUP with rolls/songs and food. With equal buffs I parse ~15% (calculated as the difference in total damage output, not differnce in parse %) behind delve weapon DD's of similar calibur with a 90 weapon. A lot is due to the roaming nature killing any aftermath damage. Thats huge in FF terms, I agree, but thats apples to apples.

I never said pound for pound delve weapons dont' beat the pants off 90+ RME, I said its not tough to beat a delve DD without a delve weapon, cause its not.

You know I played at 75 cap too, yeah you learned cool little things by actually progressing bit by bit however, if you have two brain cells to rub together read a few guides and forums there are few jobs in this game that are insanely hard to figure out how to play.

Power leveling a bad player does not make, an ignorant one it does. All this abysea ruined the game crap I keep seeing is a joke there were as many noob pants on head players before abyssea.

Actually made it easier to have job flexibility or rather removed the excuse of leveling being the reason you never leveled other jobs.

Also I'd be more than willing to bet all my savings that all the abyssea noob criers leveled to 99 via abyssea vice the "right" way tad hypocritical ne? (Ain't nobody got time fo dat)

don't say 99 REM's its all just 99 Relics now lol

Very few have a 99 Empyrean
and even fewer have a 99 Mythic
so really they might as well just call this relic upgrades

and the trial is no where near the same .... just look at how many relics you see 99 now ... and don't tell me they are more dedicated to their jobs or better players.... its just easier to 99 a Relic than a Mythic or Empyrean

honestly they need to really switch this whole DD driven game back to RDM BLM SCH WHM .... I know far to many people that refuse to play mages... sorry that didn't float at 75 cap the back line players where the kings.... BLM was a god

The real question is since you're so good, why are you not using a delve weapon yourself?

sorry that didn't float at 75 cap the back line players where the kings.... BLM was a god

Until ToAU came out, at that point BLM was kind of like a lost and unneeded art.

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Getting the base mythic is far more difficult than relics or emps. However, mythics are the easiest to go 95-99 on. Only need 3 drops, of an NM that is an utter joke at 99. you can get 2 other ppl to help you grind through all the znms in a day and pop all 3 back to back with no issues.

LOL always got to try too break down trial by trial .......

Also I thought Mythics where Scoria from 95-99 wich isn't trioable

Look at the bigger picture look at where people are getting hung up on them.....

all Empyreans are pretty much stuck on 90-95

all Mythics can't even get to the 75 version be cause SE fails at understanding playability......

And all Relic owners just wine when they there weapon isn't the best or easiest lol

now they are glad only 99s are getting the upgrade well relics are the only ones upgradable anyway so why listen to they're argument ---- its only one sided argument .....

too me at 99 isn't finished until its afterglowed then its done

LOL that's a lot of Zeni... is there a Zeni Bot I don't know about
how do you farm all that zeni in a day....

Look at the bigger picture --- trials from beginning to end and look at the balance in difficulty

Funny that ive seen plenty of 95 and 99 Empyreans on Odin just because you cant make one doesnt mean other people cant. Mythics are easy it just takes a bit of time getting them done compared to the other 2 options and there are plenty around they were easier at 75 though when people were spamming the ***out of ToAU. Hell there is even a mythic afterglow(on odin) and an Empyrean afterglow(on another server somewhere)... Now stop being butt hurt because you cant be bothered finishing your Empy (85 Masamune).

As for the Zeni you get around 1.5k off the Nauls in Aby-Tahrongi so trade in 10 and you have 15k Zeni in one game day....

1. PW might not be trioable but if you don't have any friends to help you, you can buy scoria just like you can buy plates/riftitems/marrows. Getting 3 PW pops is trioable though.

2. I don't know of one single empyrean weapon "stuck" at 95. They're either 90 or 99 (or 95, actively working on the final trial). Empyrean weapons are either "stuck" at 85 - which means you don't care enough about the job/weapon to make the effort taking it to 90 - or 90, which again means you don't care enough, or you've made the conscious decision not to do plates/riftitems because you think it's impossible or not worth it.

3. More mythics are being made now than ever before. Hell, I even know of people with more than 1 of them!

4. Several relics were never the best. And for the majority that were the best - well they were trumped by Empyrean weapons. I don't hear relic owners in particular whining about their weapons not being the best anymore today.

5. I'll admit I'm slightly out of the loop and not paying much attention to SE's more recent posts/announcements, but I'm sure I would have heard it mentioned before if they've actually gone and said only relics will be possible to upgrade. So I'm wondering where you got that from?

6. I'm willing to bet ANYTHING on you singing a different tune if you actually had a 99 Empyrean weapon - you'd be guaranteed never to have made this topic in the first place then.

Ya they specifically said all 3 will get boost though it might not even be trials they might just implement them on their own. One thing they did say was that REM weapons wont be the end all weapons anymore but just another option for people to use between the various other 99 weapons.

My point exactly ...... only people with a 99 are for only 99s being the only relevant weapons..... its a one sided argument

and yea this post is catchy .... its why I made it XD

-- piss off those people who own 3-4 99 relics

-- Discuss how instruments didn't get touched

-- and why are the trials not just a little bit more balanced

-- buying shouldn't be possible for any of this *** ......

Go finish the trials that are already available - and have been so for almost 2 years already - for your unfinished empyrean weapon(s) instead of whining about allowing their damage to be upgraded in the same way SE has said finished weapons will be.

As for Gjallarhorn/Daurdabla/Aegis/Ochain - SE didn't go and release Delve instruments/shields that utterly crush those like they did with weapons.

I don't own 3-4 level 99 relics, I only have 2. I do however, own 2 level 99 empyrean weapons and your whining and sense of entitlement just because you have one or two level 85/90 weapons is pissing me off. FINISH THE TRIALS ALREADY AVAILABLE or just stfu.

Pretty sure this guy mentioned before that he quit already so there really is no point in arguing with him about this anymore. Otherwise I'd just say make a relic then if you want a legendary weapon since its "easy".

I know, I shouldn't let him and people like him get to me, but the attitude he's been displaying in this thread (and other similar ones) is just too much. "I want it all and I want it now and I don't want to work for it either, just hand it to me".

Not been able to play in about a month now, but will finally be home next week, making it back in time for Father's Day :). Semi on topic, I have not seen further mention of when they plan to implement the lv 99 RME upgrades. Has there been new news and maybe I just missed the post about it?

You can argue whatever you want, but SE clearly stated that a 99 is completed and afterglow is an extra the most dedicated can strive for.

Also, PW is Trio'able at this point, granted it takes the best of the best, but there are several videos of people doing PW with PLD WHM BRD and a TH mule. 75 Mythics are more attainable than ever at this point due to the availability of Alex and ease of ToAU content.

We all wish our 90 emps and 95 relics were still top dog, but they're not, and no amount of circular thinking is going to change it.

Plz don't revive this thread

I guess you failed to understand what it meant when "Not all players will be able to obtain the higher tier weapons", because they can't. Hell, I play quite a bit, and I still don't have a mythic, nor all my assault clears, captain rank, 100,000 ichor, 150,000 tokens, etc. I'm not going to go on a ***-fest because of some self-important attitude that just because I'm paying to play a game, it means I should have everything as well.

Ha.

Just report him and move on, he just openly admitted he's just posting to get responses to he's both a troll and an idiot.