JUST Upgrade Afterglows If 90s 95s Arent Included

Basically the best thought process. SE got locked in a place where they couldn't do much to add new weapons because they created such powerful ones which were easy enough for people with the time to get, but incredible time sink for 2-3 hour a night people.

I personally never had the time to go afk to get a level 80 empy yet alone a lvl 90. I made good with a lvl99 TP bonus great katana. Sure it took time to make but I got to actually play the game and have fun doing it.

Now I have delve great katana and the funny thing is compared to the lvl99 REM its not insanely better. That's because those weapons are still very powerful with aftermaths. There are other examples were the REMs are crushed but not all. Give lvl99 say 50 more damage and delve becomes gimp.

SE has hit the reset button on the game before. It was called abyssea. Everyone could go in and get crazy exp, and eventually learned how to lowman the majority of the content by the time that Heroes was released. Everyone was running around on all their jobs with 5/5 Emp gear, and using other stuff from abyssea that made 95% of everything else look obsolete.

In a way, SE and Abyssea killed the previous concept of "endgame linkshells". Before, the hierarchy of shells was something like
Social > Dynamis (or any other specific event) > event based (doing dyna, limbus, Einherjar all on one pearl > HNMLS (did everything).

Once abyssea rolled out and people learned to lowman, we got the the point that most of the events weren't done in a large group, due to high levels making content easier, no need for a lot of the gear, and plainly not actually liking a good portion of those in your larger shell.

Voidwatch further killed this and made most gear obtainable via shout groups.

Now it's seems to be heading in the exact opposite direction. Shout groups are able to get you some stuff, but you need a larger, more organized group to have repeated success on some of the content and NMs, with only a select number of top tier linkshells able to even plan out, let alone actually kill the Fracture bosses.

I agree, that was pretty bad. I know better too, it was a mistake (I fixed it by the way). However, I wasn't really trying to "argue" anything per say. I was simply saying that "Afterglows" aren't and weren't ever feasibly obtainable, but the R/E/M weapons were certainly a life force to FFXI for quite some time. So, whether or not they should or should not have existed before the "gear treadmill" isn't really debatable, because we wouldn't know what previous effects it would have had on the game.

at the end of the day SE tried to bring new life to the game with this update, allowing newer players to compete with the top dd's (nolifers) with rem99's but now with enough moaning the 99 rem owners will be top dogs again and the rest of us will just have to sit back and watch others play the game the way we all should be able to play it.

no doubt someones gonna chip in with who deserves what ect and telling me how much time effort they put in ect but honestly the people who literally ruin this game for the vast majority of players are the elitist and as far as im concerned id be happier to see more new players than a few hundred ppl with 99 rem on my server anyday!

I'm always fascinated by the number of players in these forums that say things like "Duh, 90 Empy just takes a couple days solo" I really struggle to understand what kind of life you live. I work, have a family, have other priorities, and basically play the game as a distraction. So, no, I cant build a 99 Empy or relic in a month. Hell, I spent every minute of time I have in game over the last 2 years just trying to stay close enough to relevant that I might have a chance of being included in things like PUG's for voidwatch.

So many of you look down on those that can't commit 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week to the game to get things done, but don't realize that there are far more of us that play a few hours a week than those that play 60+ hours a week yet the developers respond to you because you are so damn noisy on teh forums. Sadly, the more casual players don't have hours a day to scour the forums bitching about things that don't make them happy so they get marginalized. Crazy thing is, we all pay the same amount though. In fact, its the casuals that actually keep this game alive. If you don't believe me, look at the number of 99 REM's out there right now and compare that to the number of accounts. I can assure you, it is a small fraction.

Additionally, I find it funny that those that are mocking the OP today about wanting a boost on his lower level weapons are pretty much the same ones that were whining and complaining 3 weeks ago when the update first came out. However, now that SE has appeased you, with your 99's, everyone else is just a whiny *** and needs to STFU or or GTFO. Well, I did. I cancelled all 3 of my accounts 2 days ago in protest and it is very unlikely I will be coming back.

I don't have any 99's, I would have liked to have had the chance to upgrade, but it would have taken me nearly a year more work from where I am at now to get there. I know its just gil, but gil isn't so easy to come by for someone with limited time so what options do you have, especially now. I'm not gonna buy it. I was working on upgrading one of my Empy's the old fashioned way, you know, do the content and such, but the process is slow when you only have a few hours a week. But up until this last update, it wasn't much of an issue. I expected I would have the time. However, SE decided to ***on all my work and create new content that totally outclassed the old content far faster than the average player could hope to complete it.

I like my 3 Empys. I like the way they look, I like the aftermath, and I like the sense of accomplishment from getting them. I don't want to trade them in for crappy looking weapons, far superior, only a few months after finally upgrading my old ones to the point where they were useful. I did, with the GK at least, while waiting on the official response about the REM,(which is kinda sad that even a fairly casual player could get a weapon that totally eclipsed REM's in less than two weeks after the update), but I got no sense of accomplishment from doing so. This update felt empty and I'm sure that once all you super elitists essentially complete the content next month you will feel the same. It took the heart out of the franchise, especially for dedicated casual players. That's why I cancelled my accounts. In a single update, SE invalidated everything I spent years working towards. If I wanted a complete reset every two years, I would have played WoW. So, in summary

"Nolifers"? I have a 99 relic, I work full time, have a wife and 2 kids. If you can't get a 99 relic you're lazy, plain and simple.

3 months, solo dynamis and you have a relic, 2 more months should be enough to 99 it. If 2 hours a day isn't casual then I don't know what is. gtfo of here with your "Nolifers".

Laziness does more damage than Elitism could ever conceive.

Hello? This is 2013, not 2007.

Falling behind in the game and feeling down? Call everyone else elitist! It's a fool-proof way to absolve your own shortcomings and artificially feel superior!

And... Your saying that 99 rem should not be the best??
That newb lazy scrubs should be able to out perform hard working well geared veterans? What are you smoking?
You must not own a REM as I can tell from your tears, I don't understand your stupidity here, sorry.
People who worked to 99 them earned and deserve to be as good as they are for that reason. But new weapons are there so non REM holders can still do good Dmg, but not the best!
Mythic cost 400M+
Relic cost 110M
and Emps are just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE easy to solo.
All 3 weapons are solo able with time & a steady income of Gil that anyone can make if they choose to. But all of which take more effort & time to make than new weapons.

Now Skirmish weapons ect take what? A hole 45mins to make?
Delve weapons take few days to farm up your plasm?

Please explain how these cheesy anime weapons should trump REM and why REM should remain to be neglected.

(REM doesn't mean elitist or veteran at all so please fix your words and stop making a *** out of yourself)

Supplementing Pleebo's post

The only question regarding this topic which holds any interest for me at this point is:

If 85-90 Epmyrians received a boost, what would you do with them?

I can only think of 2 answers, (so you guys will have to help me out if there are more).

① I will continue to work toward upgrading my weapon to its full lv99 potential.

② I will use my lv85-90 weapon(now boosted) to farm delve in order to make a more powerful delve weapon, and then leave my 85-90 weapon behind.

Are there other options? What is your plan as a player?

The way I see it:
If ①, you will be grinding the same old content to 99 your weapon. It's current damage is sufficient as it has always been. A change in damage has no bearing on your ability to 99 it. What's the difference?

If ②, you can already participate in delve and get those weapons now, without any damage boost. What benefit would a damage boost give you in such a finite task?

**Spoiler for derail..**

It's hard, or at least not efficient and enjoyable to kill VW with a team of Dies Iraes/Brawny Adargas. But if those weapons are used by majority instead of Ukon/Vere etc, then SE would make NM with lower HP/Def(since content difficulty is based on player output) anyways.

Personally, I feel R/E/M is like internet/sex/alcohol/technology, or whatever that's not needed to live but nice to have. But once you get a taste of it, you realized that your life without it sucked that you no longer want to go back.

Before internet exist I feel my life was just fine without internet, I don't need it and I can live without it. Now I can't imagine how my life would be without email/google map/google search/google image. I mean, now inconvenient if internet doesn't exist!

Before abyssea came life was just fine for everyone without a relic. Everyone's happy with a hagun/ebow/perdu weapons, and still feel accomplished after they get one. Then abyssea came, handed out everyone a legendary weapon with cool look and a WS. Now we can't go back to pre-abyssea anymore......I was using a cool looking weapon and cool looking WS for past 2~3 years! Now they're taking it away and force everyone to use 30k delve weapon, and I have to use this ugly looking delve weapons, and life sucked :(

I can understand how you feel, I'm not entirely happy that I can no longer use my fat sword and zorro slash because my almace is only 85. But tbh if this is still pre-abyssea and empy doesn't exist, you'd use a hagun/ebow/perdu weapons just fine and never feel life sucked if your weapons are no longer cool.

SE handed out legendary weapons to everyone, and unless all weapons from newer content are even cooler looking with a cool WS and aftermath, some ppl bound to be unhappy about it. It's just like once mankind got a taste of internet or newer technology, it's no longer possible to go back and live in cave again.

First off, it is not a matter of "looking down on other players" for the amount of time or effort they spent building an Empyrean to 85 or 90. The fact is, it is significantly easy, regardless of how long you spend building it. The 95-99 stage was a semi-justification of that. All stages of Lv99 R/M/E weapons come from content that is meant to be difficult in some way, so for the players who accomplished those feats, you cannot fault them for being angry about their efforts being for what seems like naught as of a month ago. Nor can you bring them down to the level of 85-90 weapons, because they have had more time in a day, perhaps less responsibilities, and maybe even better gil generating techniques. Again, Lv99 R/M/E owners put in the effort, and if you thought a 85/90 version of a weapon would be top-tier on post-99 content, you were the fool in that situation. (That's not to say these weapons aren't acceptable in some situations, but to elaborate further, they stopped being top-tier once the next stage of advancement came out.)

Quite frankly, I don't see what the issue is with continuing to keep them part of the "ultimate weapons," especially if they want to add the real Delve weapons into the R/M/E selection. (Not those cheap 30k plasm ones you get from T4/5 Key Items. Although, I do think these weapons should be somewhat comparable so that players can aim for these to help build their other weapons.) But keeping a method of upgrading R/M/E and in the future, possibly D weapons, by incorporating them into some of the hardest content of that time should not really be an issue for anyone.

The reality is, FFXI doesn't have the support to be pushing out "gear treadmill" style updates where you need to overhaul all your gear every few months. It's better to keep what they have going as a whole, with regular small updates, and some new content every few months, instead of depending on each update to carry the game and hope it lasts until the next update.

Particularly since we're not just talking about a couple sets of weapons. By obsoleting RMEs, SE would also be making all of the content surrounding them obsolete. Sure, plenty of people have left things like Dynamis, Assault and Abyssea far behind - but I think that keeping several avenues open would benefit everyone. Don't have much support/largely play solo? Make a relic! Want to go of the beaten path with something special? Build a mythic! Have limited playtime? Build an empyrean! Want to be on the cutting edge? Delve bosses are for you!

Unless SE has plans to either free up space for something fantastic by eliminating dynamis or assault zones (for example,) then the minimal effort required to keep people interested in several activities seems like an easy choice.

Even if people don't want to build those weapons, there would still be the option to make money from people who do in lesser group scenarios like you mentioned; as well as Voidwatch that is more open to jobs than Delve is. If certain players depend on the gil flow from the content surrounding R/M/E, to obsolete all that would be crippling for them in the wake of this new content. Especially if they find it difficult to participate in Delve shouts.

In response to the spoiler, the info is pretty easy to find.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/11/4.html

Nothing surprising here to me. The large majority of Relics topped out at 95 and the majority of Empy's topped out at 90. I'm sure there will be an uptick in the number of 99's in the upcoming census but i doubt it will be very significant.

As for your first question. All I was hoping for was a tiered approach to fixing the RME's. Give me a quest, trail of magian like if you want, where I can upgrade whatever RME I own some fixed amount. The higher your RME, the more of a boost you get. In the end, I was hoping that the 90's would be about equivalent to the plasm weapons whereas the 99's would be on par with the Delve boss weapons. I would have been fine waiting for the upgrades as well as long as I knew they were coming. Ultimately, I would have continued on with the older content and pushed one or more of my weapons to 99 while doing what I could with PUG's in the newer content.

The one thing I dont like is that WOE weapons are easier to upgrade and now SE is rewarding those that upgraded to 99 WOE more than those that grinded empy to 90 (which was a respectable empty). Now the empy will be useless and those who went WOE path are rewarded. in the time it took to get a 90 Empy i could have had my 99 WOE.

this is stupid 300m for a Mythic at 10k a piece Alex

Relics are only 80m now bud 5k-5.5k Currency
(not to mention the 75-95 path is a complete joke)
(and everyone makes Millions of Gil so 95-99 isn't tough either)
EVERYONE HAS BEEN MAKING RELICS BECAUSE THEY ARE EASIER TO 99

Empyreans are just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE easy to Solo """"LAUGH""""

Wich Empyrean you doing Fistule path?

This misconception that Empyreans are so easy is a huge is misunderstanding

Shield/Instrument isn't very easy I'd say takes 2-3 people specially for third stage and a few weeks to get 90 version

All others take atleast a week to do the NM camping... respawn time just wont allow anything less(and Solo you you wont hardly kill some of these NMs let alone 1 pop at a time....

Carrabosse Path is easiest I'd personally say you could possibly solo it ...most can duo this or trio it easy but still takes several weeks even if you are helping someone else or shouting for help

Fistule can be soloed but Bukhis can't lol Bukhis is a tougher NM even though the pop is easy to build he still isn't anything you want to farm for fun... the third stage is tough also....

Briareus is the path everyone has done and they judge this NM to be all Empyrean NMs... now YES Briareus is a lot of running around to build pops and is tough to solo, but all in all not to crazy hard .... the second stage is fast. Close together and easy to proc and build pops Sobek is still a duo usually at minimum.

Glavoid ok this is where the easy ends If you are less than 4 man... this path held me up for a few months on Glavoid alone .the next step is Itzapapalotl wich is easy.... (its Tunga that is a pain in the arse) glavoid will one shot almost any job solo either by stonega5 or Gorge/Disgorge ..once you get above 4 members it becomes easier
the triggers themselves are still a pain to farm... third stage is easy

Chloris this path is difficult also for any low man scenario... it can take weeks or months to build all the pops and shouting to buy pops is slow and only a supplement.... now the the secnd and third stage are easy and so they balance this out a lot ... but for me this was a easier path than Glavoid low man...

Now when Abbysea first came out there was 18 man LS's knocking out a weapon a day for there top members (These specific members prolly had 5-8 weapons) if you where helping you where probably just a tool.

(Now Remember you still have to camp the Starting NMs wich takes a week or so)

Now Some of you will say "It can be soloed" that's fine there is certain special little jobs/setups that will allow you take these Nms down Solo But it is the slowest at building pops just because you only can make 1 at a time...(not stupid easy like the formentioned Poster stated... also everyone solo's Dynamis)

As for the 90-95 Upgrade I don't think this was a good measure by SE to balance Relics and Empyreans.... Everyone just started doing relics because once you had it 75 (wich I know from experience you can solo All the Currency not buying any.. in 2-3 months) then it was only a week or so till you had it 95 (the 75-95 trials are stupid easy for relics)

1500 plates / Riftcinders cant be low manned
cant get them anywhere else
cost 80k a piece = 120M not including Riftcinder's
Rift Cinders 1.2m I think last I checked
Market is Starved(none to be found)

.......So we are all stuck at 90
(relics only cost between 80-90m now with Currency price lower)
a standard ADL shell will 99 it for you in a week or two

Honestly I'm not looking for a Gimme

But make Plates Easier to Obtain or raise our DPS on our weapon too ...

Not as high as our 99s Counterparts because 99s should be slightly better but 85s 90s where always meant to be relevant endgame weapons now a guy can get a weapon in a day (Delve Weapon) and it out parses anything we have ever had access too ... there is so many people who didn't have a LS to farm there Empyrean .... Tooo Easy is for the LS leader that screwed there members

it took me months to do mine Solo/Duo...

85 > 90 ochain took us 2 days with 3 people.... if you work out the price to 99v2 all the weapons are pretty much even.

Edit: and everyone have been 99ing relics because most of them are better. Yes it would be nice to get a dmg boost on 85 90 95 but it aint gunna happen and i can more than understand why SE are just boosting the 99's and it does make sense for them to do so.

LULTHEFUKWOT to the rest of your post.... 2 weeks to do Carabosse is extremely slow my friend solo'd that in a couple of days of bst and same with CC. It just sounds like either A) your damage sucks and you arent killing them fast enough or B0 very lazy and you want everything handed to you. My friend recently did Chloris and finished in 2-3 days and this wasnt always in abyssea it was on and off farming. Apademak we did in 13 hours for the 75 horns needed for my almace, Empyreans arent hard at all.

I don't think anyone is arguing the <90 are hard. Just depending on time available to play, it varies from player to player.

The HMP + Cinder (dross also but not as bad as Cinders) trials are *** solid. Cinders on Rag have hit 2mil I believe but not seen any in a while =(

My SAM has fallen behind. I'm getting told how to gear SAM by someone with a delve weapon who tp's in Juogi and rapes me on parses everytime.

Also said in shell a few days ago I still use usu+1 feet and got told this isn't 2012 anymore...

Needless to say, I died inside.

Are you F'ing kidding me?

Guess ill be doing Morta x18 tonight!!

(Also if you need help +2ing your feet hit me up in game, we can do it on the spot.)
(Edit: read that wrong, thought you meant unkai+1. Oops!)

I have not seen any in a while though so I might be wrong. (But it's ominous man =()

Edit: Doing a quick search the like 6 available are 1.5ish, 1.8ish and 2mil+ .______________________.


This edit tickled me :D If it was Unkai+1 I would be less annoyed at my LS calling me out on the gear choice :p

1500 plates x80k = 120m
60 Riftcinder's x2m each = 120m

so we at 240m Cost 90-99 for an Empyrean

(and for a low man group a lot of work goes into a Empyrean before 95,99 stages)

Relics are around 80-85m atm on Odin (5k-5.5k Currency)
(and the Relic trials 75-95 are stupid easy, isn't even a trial really...atleast not like 75 Azdaja Horns anywayz)

Just isn't very balanced at all

A Mythic @ 10k Alexandrite each is 300m for 30,000 Alex
....So a Empyrean cost almost as much a Mythic now
not sure about the upper trials cost

Gah! There's a Morta x12 shout RIGHT NOW!! But I'm still on the train hooooome! ヽ(￣д￣;)ノ=3=3=3

This guy is just dumb .......

You forgot the marrow which is another 50-60 mil on relics mind.