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 Siren.Clinpachi
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 03:58:53
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That +2% is all down to how good your gear is and what buffs you get really. More dmg you do the more that 2% does. Your base penta dmg (assuming 4-5 hits land) should be pretty decent with the gear you have access to.

If you was only hitting 1k or less penta (with overwhealm factored in) then +2% won't be worth it imo.

That's why on first glance i was like 2% isn't even worth the effort.

But the STR+4 WSACC+15 ACC+10 ATT+5 looks tempting too >_<
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 03:59:10
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@ dark

head only has 5attack, though you are right

AMK head w/ 4str 15wsacc 10acc 5attk would be best for penta but the other still works fine, as long as he's good on acc and depending on food he uses.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2010-06-05 04:01:38
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
@ironguy

"In my own opinion, it isn't worth the hassle even in the slightest to make diverse TP sets"



lolwut D:

Since attack is nearly worthless for a Samurai, yeah; Monk, I can see a reasoning, definitely, but 30% of our damage with a low-DPS weapon? (The other 70%~ commonly is from WS, in other words).

Oh, and the WSDMG+2% augment is the way to go on the galea, hands down, even though Nocturnus Helm should be right on its' tail Y/G/K-wise.



I'm off to get some sleep, I apologize if there's any unanswered questions I may have left though.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:04:31
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@ iron guy

but the reason we make different tp sets is for variable Accuracy.......not attack >O (and also haste,xhit setups)
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:04:44
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Samurai Polearm TP
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This still doesn't seem right... here is what tiger has listed:

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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:06:03
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I'm guessing that's his WS becuase that isn't even a 5 hit according to what we just went over >_<

/head desk.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:06:03
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lol thats his ws build xP

edit- looks good! :D now change your ws build! LOL

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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:06:45
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Ok yeah he didn't have any notes or clarification... so then my TP set is on par afterall now?
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2010-06-05 04:07:08
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
@ iron guy

but the reason we make different tp sets is for variable Accuracy.......not attack >O (and also haste,xhit setups)

I'll answer this one real quick, though.

Name a slot where the accuracy would outweigh the Haste: Head's about the only one at best, and even then, it really is hands down turban these days, really. Toreador's Ring vs Blitz Ring for WAR/SAM, as an equal example.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-05 04:07:36
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Since attack is nearly worthless for a Samurai

You mean for GK right? It's important for Penta.

@Clin what's wrong with it?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:08:36
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Since attack is nearly worthless for a Samurai

You mean for GK right? It's important for Penta.

@Clin what's wrong with it?
I'm not sure i feel as if something isn't right.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2010-06-05 04:09:52
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Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Since attack is nearly worthless for a Samurai

You mean for GK right? It's important for Penta.

Of course it's important for Penta Thrust, but he was specifically relating to TP gear, not Penta Thrust gear.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:14:04
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Since attack is nearly worthless for a Samurai

You mean for GK right? It's important for Penta.

Of course it's important for Penta Thrust, but he was specifically relating to TP gear, not Penta Thrust gear.
The biggest difference in my TP sets for Gkatana was capped ACC using food or Uncapped ACC even using food. The attack was just a number put in there to show the difference in ACC/ATT respectively between the two.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:15:47
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Fairy.Ghaleon said:
@ iron guy

but the reason we make different tp sets is for variable Accuracy.......not attack >O (and also haste,xhit setups)

I'll answer this one real quick, though.

Name a slot where the accuracy would outweigh the Haste: Head's about the only one at best, and even then, it really is hands down turban these days, really. Toreador's Ring vs Blitz Ring for WAR/SAM, as an equal example.

you must not ever...fight high evasive hnms do you? o gawd, your not one of those sole sushi sams are you? <.>

if you have lower than 85% hitrate and 20% haste w/o any haste buffs (haste,march,samba) then your going to benefit even more from changing your tp set (20+acc) which is about 10% hitrate gain. from losing 1 haste. the goal here is to keep your food to meat(sub/curry) and not change to an acc based food (yes even pizza would'nt be correct here) to do alot more overall damage to said hnm.



(above statement is meant for y/g/k and GKT build)

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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:16:29
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o, i thought he was talking about gkt D:


inc whoosh
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:17:26
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*looks around cautiously*

Great Katana (Capped ACC)
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Perks: Haste+21%, Accuract+27, Attack+47, 6 Hit

Great Katana (Uncapped ACC)
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Perks: Haste+20%, Accuract+52, Attack+28, 6 Hit

Great Katana Weapon Skill
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Perks: STR+67, Sea Gorget Bonus

*looks around cautiously*

So i covered the ACC capped and uncapped situations properly right ._.?
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:18:15
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wait..i read something wrong -.-;


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:20:49
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@clin

yes/no

for capped accuracy you can actually gain 1haste, but that would require taking off your beloved usu shoes and rep them with fuma sune-ate.

but doing so you would have to make up for the stp loss

rose strap + ecphoria ring will provide you enough to maintain your 6hit, after repping out usu shoes -> fuma.


edit- although according to a certain someone, you shouldnt swap out your gear, and just stick to less haste cause who cares about situational ***or gaining +1haste. amirite?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:22:42
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But then that would remove Double attack+2% (pole), Accuracy+7/Attack+7 (Usu), Accuracy+4/Attack+4 (ulli), for 1% haste?

I don't feel that is completely justified >_< I understand the turban/aces concept but the feet i don't see the logic in the loss.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:25:22
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yes the DA loss sucks, but if your /war its not even that big a deal, since DA trait + brutal. acc counts for nothing remember your acc is capped! :) so your comparing 7atkvs1haste

lol samdot :P
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By Leviathan.Celestinia 2010-06-05 04:25:52
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Wouldn't changing aces to turban be a better trade than using ecphoria ring and fuma instead of usukane? since that's only a loss of 7 acc compared to 2% double att/10 Acc(T-ring for ecph) etc...

Edit: nvm read it as un-capped for some reason.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-05 04:26:05
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It is when stacked with haste. If you want to keep Pole on for WS you'd need to alter something, like use Hachi feet to make up for the lost STP. Or just WS in rose.

Or get usu body!

Edit: It's in a capped acc situation so the lost acc isn't valid
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:27:39
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Fairy.Ghaleon said:
yes the DA loss sucks, but if your /war its not even that big a deal, since DA trait brutal. acc counts for nothing remember your acc is capped! :) so your comparing 7atkvs1haste

lol samdot :P
Doesn't this lead back to the whole 2% from MKD head stacking with overwhelm which i overlooked?

2% DA again in retrospect alone looks low but /WAR + brutal + pole as WELL as the 11 attack.

Oh right its 11 btw... 4 from ulli ring and 7 from usu feet.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:28:34
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@celes

read my above post + i think your looking at the wrong set lol

hes trading out his usukane shoes on Capped accuracy set

hes already using turban in this set. any accuracy gained when accuracy is capped = 0 effect.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:28:55
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Celestinia said:
Wouldn't changing aces to turban be a better trade than using ecphoria ring and fuma instead of usukane? since that's only a loss of 7 acc compared to 2% double att/10 Acc(T-ring for ecph) etc...

Only i don't use aces in my capped ACC set :D
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-05 04:30:18
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Forgive my ignorance but what exactly would be the accuracy difference between PCC and gtk torque assuming acc is uncapped?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:30:38
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So it still boils down to +11 Attack/acc + 2%DA for 1% haste >_<. I would love to have everything available right this moment... because I'd take a parser to that *** right now >_<
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-05 04:31:46
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Shiva.Weewoo said:
Forgive my ignorance but what exactly would be the accuracy difference between PCC and gtk torque assuming acc is uncapped?
PCC only gives ACC+10

if ACC is capped with justice torque you get only 6.something acc however it gives almost +10 attack (9.5 iirc).

With bushinomimi it bumps you to 304 Gkatana skill with capped 8/8 gkatana merits.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-05 04:32:04
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well, since you DO have vbelt, and im certain your going to attempt to get dusk+1 eventually i just figured you would go for capped haste set when acc = capped. which wins vs DA when paired with spells (haste,march,samba) 1% haste is huge with all that stacked, pretty sure it beats 11attack and 2% DA lol.

so if you have no buffs, then sure keep usu shoes.

if you have buffs = your going to want capped haste.

all comes down to situation/how many tp sets do you want to make :x
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-06-05 04:32:28
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If you're /WAR the 2% less DA is far from noticeable. DA is always a straight + x swings. Haste will likely be more than the two extra swings, so you aren't losing much aside from maybe during WS. The accuracy loss shouldn't be an issue either since that set would still have capped hit rate (assuming merits).
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