Russian Fighter Jet Shot Down By Turkey

Russia has a very long history of pushing borders. They used to surface submarines in harbors and flew along the Polish border making sharp turn in and out of their airspace to provoke.

They weren't just taking a short cut, they knew exactly what they were doing. And their flight paths routinely take them into other country's airspace after repeated warnings not to.

russia bombers/planes/jets etc~ do flybys of the US border periodically when they go to cuba or wherever

Honestly, if you're the type of world leader who considers your troops an expendable resource, this is a huge win for Russia. Nothing drums up nationalistic support like dead soldiers.

And I bet Canada apologized for their border getting in the way of Russia's flight plans!

To employ a device of the current generation:

#TooPolite

Havan't seen them over Italy!

Russia is like the "friend" in your group that's an unapologetic grapistdrunken groper but everyone likes him otherwise so they let it slide until one day he goes too far and *bam*. One of your friends has had enough and kicks him in the balls.

Edit: What the actual ***. Did the definition of "grapist" change while I wasn't looking? I mean, I know it's been like a decade since I last heard the term used in public, but c'mon.

Could Russia violate British airspace? Nothing ever happens here, it feels like the UK is everyone's Grandfather, you just leave us alone while we sit there and hope one day someone will come to visit.

I love the UK. You guys have some of the best television.

Though the BBC has really screwed the pooch with their handling of the Top Gear situation.

A little insulting, frankly.

Hey let's not worry about this, I'm sure Obama will appropriately abandon a fellow NATO member to Russia's satisfaction.

The goal here is basically the same as with Russia poking Lithuania: Putin would like to dismantle NATO by forcing the West to abandon its treaty obligations to the Eastern fringe buffer states. Given that the way NATO membership has been extended looks an awful lot like an attempt to completely isolate Russia, I can't say I blame him.

If you think about it, the US violates more country's airspace and at a higher rate than Russia does.

We have more bases around the world than any other country. And I'm sure those pilots are making all sorts of training exercises all the time.

So, why aren't US jets being shot down constantly, besides the fact that we would open a can of whoop-*** (under any other administration, not this current one, however) quicker than you can say "invasion."

He will draw a red line on the sand.

I'm sure that whatever Obama does, you will worship him for it.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/turkey-violated-greek-airspace-2244-times-last-year/

Really?

Obama doesn't roll on Shabbats'!

I'm not necessarily refuting either of these things, but I do want to ask for clarification.

How are we defining "violation" in this discussion? (The posted link is decidedly short of real information and is a pretty worthless article leaving only questions and inciting leaps to conclusions.)

Are we simply talking crossing into another country's airspace period, or are we talking entering (repeatedly, apparently) after being warned that the airspace is restricted?

Military and civilian aircraft alike fly through foreign airspace all the time. It's only when they've been asked, then told, not to that it constitutes a violation, doesn't it?

Has Greece ordered Turkey to stay out of there air space, in part or in full?

Is this U.S. running missions or training exercises in airspace that we have been asked to stay out of?

These are but a few of the questions I'd have before painting things so broadly. Maybe I'm not going after as much information as I should in this instance, but the Russian-Turkey issue does not seem the same to me as the Turkey-Greece example, nor of any U.S. examples of which I am presently aware.

Though admittedly on the last, I'm not so naïve as to think the U.S. doesn't do its share of boundary testing with its frienemies. -.-;

Dude I have no idea, I saw it, thought it was interesting, posted it. Considering the source, more needs to be asked for sure.

Which is fine. ^^

I'm just throwing out the questions I have in regard to these comments/articles.

People/some politician here have been saying for a while that turkey just help terrorist, a lot of terrorist that come from western europe get to Sirya by Turkey so unless you're with them while would you down a jet that you know is doing to bomb terrorist ?
It's not like Turkey did not know why the Russian jet was there

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things.

"If you're not with us, you're against us!" is pretty much the battlecry of extremists everywhere.


Russia likes to poke. And governments worldwide will always use the pretense of fighting terrorism to act on other goals as well. Look at the U.S. in Iraq. -.-;

It is more like "if you're downing our plane on the way to bomb terrorist, you're with them".

It's like you completely ignored the second half of my post that put the first half in context.