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‘After Birth’ Abortions?
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‘After Birth’ Abortions?
Talk to some terminally children that suffer through terrible pain.
You will probably have a hard time finding one that was not thankful to be alive and full of love, hope, and a joy for a bright future. Drama Torama said: » What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical? Odin.Godofgods said: » socially, economically or psychologically burdened or damaged by the newborn Economic hardships justify infanticide? Not abortion, infanticide. You want to kill a living baby, at least call it what it is. I'm solidly pro-choice (though I'd never do it myself). Pro-choice is not pro-murder, and I can't believe some people are so divorced from reality that they think is an okay viewpoint to have. just for the record... not my personal quote. Thats the artical quoted' * People getting worked up over ***no one cares about.
* People getting worked up over ***that isn't real or exaggerated beyond recognition or taken way out of context. Check one. I expect this sort of thing on Facebook among bored, uneducated empty-nesters but not on a gaming forum. Next. Sylph.Kuwoobie said: » * People getting worked up over ***no one cares about. * People getting worked up over ***that isn't real or exaggerated beyond recognition or taken way out of context. Check one. I expect this sort of thing on Facebook among bored, uneducated empty-nesters but not on a gaming forum. Next. You go to a gaming forum to get away from people getting worked up or exaggerating things no one cares about?
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An artical about potentially killing babies..
Sylph.Kuwoobie said: » * People getting worked up over ***no one cares about. glad im not your kid'
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So a couple nutjobs want to start murdering infants, and naturally people jump on the "liberals are evil" train. Sorry, but you can't lump all of us in together with a couple of idiots like that. It's like me saying that all conservatives are racist bigots. Are some conservatives racist bigots? Hell yeah, they are. Are all of them? What a generalized sweeping concept. *** no, they're not. The world isn't always black and white.
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Bismarck.Magnuss said: » So a couple nutjobs want to start murdering infants, and naturally people jump on the "liberals are evil" train. Sorry, but you can't lump all of us in together with a couple of idiots like that. It's like me saying that all conservatives are racist bigots. Are some conservatives racist bigots? Hell yeah, they are. Are all of them? What a generalized sweeping concept. *** no, they're not. The world isn't always black and white. Absolutely. But it's easier to say such things when your side is getting attacked. Defending your opponents when they're the ones being stereotyped isn't quite so easy.
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Bismarck.Magnuss said: » So a couple nutjobs want to start murdering infants, and naturally people jump on the "liberals are evil" train.
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Quetzalcoatl.Josiahfk said: » Best to just ignore the pettiness involved in topics like this yeah. Others, like Nausi, lap it up quicker than anything. When I saw the first sentence of the OP, I went to go look for another article. This one is a little less bias but still almost as bad, on the other spectrum of the political scale. If it's been born, then it's a living thing. If you kill a living thing, that is murder.
Odin.Godofgods said: » An artical about potentially killing babies.. Sylph.Kuwoobie said: » * People getting worked up over ***no one cares about. glad im not your kid' Yeah, just like the article about the end of the world that occurs every other day, and the article that says we're going to our own personal Holocaust in FEMA camps. Sorry, but you have to be pretty *** stupid to believe it to be anything but bait designed to lure suckers into deliberately spreading misinformation and trumping up emotions over literally nothing. Sylph.Kuwoobie said: » Odin.Godofgods said: » An artical about potentially killing babies.. Sylph.Kuwoobie said: » * People getting worked up over ***no one cares about. glad im not your kid' Yeah, just like the article about the end of the world that occurs every other day, and the article that says we're going to our own personal Holocaust in FEMA camps. Sorry, but you have to be pretty *** stupid to believe it to be anything but bait designed to lure suckers into deliberately spreading misinformation and trumping up emotions over literally nothing.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » We aren't talking about infowars now, are we? Our infowars discussion is going to drop off, methinks. So people have finally figured out Babies are the bane of the human existence?
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all of this outrage over an article that was written over three years ago by a pair of PHILOSOPHERS, (and surprise surprise, nothing has come of it) that this website has dredged up as "news" because Planned Parenthood is currently under fire.
y'all been trolled.
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Valefor.Endoq said: » Talk to some terminally children that suffer through terrible pain. You will probably have a hard time finding one that was not thankful to be alive and full of love, hope, and a joy for a bright future. There most certainly are children who want nothing more than the pain to stop. Most are incredibly aware that their time remaining is limited. Many are aware that their medical costs can be crippling to their families / siblings (at least before ACA, and I hope to hell that law at least fixed that scenario). It's *** heart-rending.
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By these peoples own logic the baby wouldn't even be a person yet, so the suffering would be no different than the suffering an uprooted carrot experiences, right? I completely do not agree with this logic, but these people want to argue that a baby isn't a person but at the same time argue they are ending the babies suffering. you can't have both.
and while we are at it why not make suicide booths and make murder legal too because the existence of some people cause grief to others. If you think there will be a line drawn where the madness stops then you are sadly mistaken. this trend will continue unless people start loving the truth rather than loving only their own selfish interests. Valefor.Endoq said: » By these peoples own logic the baby wouldn't even be a person yet, so the suffering would be no different than the suffering an uprooted carrot experiences, right? I completely do not agree with this logic, but these people want to argue that a baby isn't a person but at the same time argue they are ending the babies suffering. you can't have both. and while we are at it why not make suicide booths and make murder legal too because the existence of some people cause grief to others. 
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So, this site is called American News and the article is about two random professors in Australia?
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Valefor.Endoq said: » Talk to some terminally children that suffer through terrible pain. You will probably have a hard time finding one that was not thankful to be alive and full of love, hope, and a joy for a bright future. From Wikipedia Quote: Infantile Tay–Sachs disease. Infants with Tay–Sachs disease appear to develop normally for the first six months after birth. Then, as neurons become distended with gangliosides, a relentless deterioration of mental and physical abilities begins. The child may become blind, deaf, unable to swallow, atrophied, and paralytic. Death usually occurs before the age of four.[2] Bahamut.Kara said: » So, this site is called American News and the article is about two random professors in Australia? That's almost as crazy as people discussing politics on a Final Fantasy website.
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Have these geniuses ever considered adoption is a thing?
Philosophers: arguing about the extreme hypothetical forgetting the close solution. And also.. Godofgods: trying to fill the daily outrage quota with irrelevant articles.
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Drama Torama said: You go to a gaming forum to get away from people getting worked up or exaggerating things no one cares about? What is wrong with it? Bahamut.Ravael said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » So, this site is called American News and the article is about two random professors in Australia? That's almost as crazy as people discussing politics on a Final Fantasy website. Because we should care and become outraged about what two random philosophical professors wrote about in 2012? Is this becoming a political movement? Are people outside government buildings protesting for their right to kill newborns? Are politicians writing and introducing bills to allow newborns to be killed? Philosophers discuss extreme hypotheticals, it's what they do. Side note: Doesn't fone have a philosophy degree? Valefor.Sehachan said: » Have these geniuses ever considered adoption is a thing? Philosophers: arguing about the extreme hypothetical forgetting the close solution. In their paper they cover adoption Quote: Our reply is the following. We have previously discussed the argument from potentiality, showing that it is not strong enough to outweigh the consideration of the interests of actual people. Indeed, however weak the interests of actual people can be, they will always trump the alleged interest of potential people to become actual ones, because this latter interest amounts to zero. On this perspective, the interests of the actual people involved matter, and among these interests, we also need to consider the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption. Birthmothers are often reported to experience serious psychological problems due to the inability to elaborate their loss and to cope with their grief.10 It is true that grief and sense of loss may accompany both abortion and after-birth abortion as well as adoption, but we cannot assume that for the birthmother the latter is the least traumatic. For example, ‘those who grieve a death must accept the irreversibility of the loss, but natural mothers often dream that their child will return to them. This makes it difficult to accept the reality of the loss because they can never be quite sure whether or not it is irreversible’.11 Their paper reads like a very hyperbolic example of distorting a lot of information on newborn illiness and abortion to Philosophers: trying to shock the public for over 2,500 years.
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Philosophy does have practical uses but I don't think after birth abortions were ever discussed by Sartre Nietzsche Plato Aristotle or Socrates.
The ethical issues abortion brings up are when does life being to exist. Is it morally ethical to kill an unborn child. Also what rights do unborn children have etc. |
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