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By Odin.Godofgods 2015-07-29 19:25:37
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Liberals Debate To Introduce ‘After Birth’ Abortions Because Newborns ‘Are Not Persons’

According to Alberto Giubilini from Monash University in Melbourne and Francesca Minerva at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at the University of Melbourne, “circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.”

The authors continue on to say that “abortion” should be considered in instances where a newborn is putting the well-being of the family at risk. Giubilini and Minerva argue that if a family can be “socially, economically or psychologically burdened or damaged by the newborn” they should be able to seek out an after-birth abortion.

“Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life,’” the authors write. “We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.

“Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal,” they conclude.

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By Odin.Godofgods 2015-07-29 19:26:06
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Obligatory '22 year late term abortion'

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-07-29 19:44:37
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Liberals, the party of misanthropes. They save all their outrage up for people who kill personified lions but have none left for the unborn.
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:48:45
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I didn't know they have colleges in Melbourne !
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By Drama Torama 2015-07-29 19:50:03
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What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?

Odin.Godofgods said: »
socially, economically or psychologically burdened or damaged by the newborn

Economic hardships justify infanticide? Not abortion, infanticide. You want to kill a living baby, at least call it what it is.

I'm solidly pro-choice (though I'd never do it myself). Pro-choice is not pro-murder, and I can't believe some people are so divorced from reality that they think is an okay viewpoint to have.
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:50:06
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You don't need to go into debt to debate if abortions are ethical though. I mean ***that is what FFXIAH is for !
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:50:32
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Drama Torama said: »
What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?

Odin.Godofgods said: »
socially, economically or psychologically burdened or damaged by the newborn

Economic hardships justify infanticide? Not abortion, infanticide. You want to kill a living baby, at least call it what it is.

I'm solidly pro-choice (though I'd never do it myself). Pro-choice is not pro-murder, and I can't believe some people are so divorced from reality that they think is an okay viewpoint to have.

Have you every talked to a liberal ? Also spending years teaching in a college removes you from anything remotely related to reality.
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By Drama Torama 2015-07-29 19:51:08
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
the unborn

This isn't even the unborn. This is the born! Like, you don't even need to get into the "life starts at conception" stuff. This is a living, breathing, human child.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-07-29 19:51:50
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say this site is a close cousin to The Onion.

Besides, we already have a solution for unwanted newborns, it's call adoption.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-07-29 19:52:11
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Drama Torama said: »
What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?
None. The purpose is to point at these crazies and exclaim "See, liberals be trippin'!"
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:52:17
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People kill kids all the time they just don't call it abortion.
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:53:29
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Look at Chris Reeves that guy practically lived off of embryos !
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 19:56:25
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What if I told you I"m pro abortion ? Killing babies turns me on.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-07-29 19:58:22
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I hope this is fake
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By Drama Torama 2015-07-29 20:01:10
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It's not fake, sadly. It's super trolly, though.

I mean, I bit.
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 20:02:12
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At least it is a debatable topic even if the topic is hypothetical.

Abortion has all sorts of Philosophical and ethical issues. Most of which no one ever discusses.

It is either pro choice or life. No one can seem to see the gray area.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-29 20:04:04
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Drama Torama said: »
What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?
None. The purpose is to point at these crazies and exclaim "See, liberals be trippin'!"

Perhaps, but if we can make fun of these people:



Then we can make fun of the people in the OP's article.
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 20:05:48
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The line between a late term abortion and killing a baby is very thin though...
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By fonewear 2015-07-29 20:06:58
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Drama Torama said: »
What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?
None. The purpose is to point at these crazies and exclaim "See, liberals be trippin'!"

Perhaps, but if we can make fun of these people:



Then we can make fun of the people in the OP's article.

Also where did you get that picture of me !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-07-29 20:38:04
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Drama Torama said: »
What possible debate can come from a viewpoint this radical?
None. The purpose is to point at these crazies and exclaim "See, liberals be trippin'!"
Well liberals do be trippin.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-07-29 21:11:41
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This news is heart breaking... What is happening to everyone?
How is it anything and everything is being justified these days?
Does anyone know right from wrong anymore?
Is compassion dead?
Is mercy dead?
Is love for ones self the only love that still exist?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-07-29 21:13:30
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'These days' lol

The world was far crueler in the past
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-07-29 21:20:56
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Josiahkf said: »
Hey if you were dying and in horrible pain and asked, I would kill you to end your suffering.

That takes much more courage and kindness than to not do it, and it's also illegal in your country and in mine.
I've read that being born is the most painful experience a person will ever have. So what about that? Should we just end all humanity to stop anyone from ever suffering? Babies have no voice in the matter and neither do future generations but hey lets do them a favor and end all life?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-07-29 21:22:17
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Now you're just being silly, that's not even close to being the same thing
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-07-29 21:22:20
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Life is painful and hard to endure at times, but those hardships pass and I am thankful to still be alive
 
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-07-29 21:32:13
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Everyone dies. Saying that one is dying is a shitty argument. We are all terminally ill. We all suffer.
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