A Realm Reborn 2.55 Discussion (Spoilers)

Everyone seemed to feel that all the Scions had died. While it is possible, I kinda doubt it. Yda and Papalymo seemed to wipe out their attackers and more than likely were "arrested like the others" after, Y'shtola seemed to be pretty well after casting what I will refer to as Almagest for now, and Thancred expected to die in a blaze of glory and...(*facepalms*) took an arrow to the knee. I doubt Minfilia would've went back only to find the broken corpses of her friends; Thancred is injured and Y'shtola is probably exhausted from that spell, I feel they will be "arrested like the others" and Minfilia has no intent on not being with them, Hydaelyn spoke to her but we don't know what she said, I highly doubt it was "Go die." People are blaming Tataru and Momodi. Momodi probably assumed the flask was Alienne's and you should keep it to return to her. Tataru, if she were present, is about as important as a nameless Crystal Brave; whatever Teledji and Lolorito were planning, they'd have no reason to spare her.

Nanamo; dead. Raubahn is obviously alive but missing his arm. I see this going three ways, the least likely is he remains in prison and fades into obscurity. The more likely is that he will either be executed or he will be freed and possibly given a magitek arm as a few others have guessed. Ilbard; never trusted him, I hope the Fragrant Chamber is slathered in his blood. Urianger; he seemed to answer the summons as an emissary just as Elidibus appeared in the Waking Sands, I don't think he's a traitor. Teledji; AHAHAHAHA!! I cheered! Lolorito and Teledji; I get the feeling these two were planning to rule Ul'dah, and they weren't planning on Teledji's death, Lolorito finds himself in a bit of a predicament now.

Finally, something I noticed; your character has a glass of wine too that they never touch. I got the feeling that the player was also a target for poisoning and were to be framed for a murder-suicide rather than a murder.

You might notice that some NPCs will comment on you after the finale.
These include:
Grand Company Commanders
Adventurer's Guildmasters (including Slafborn of Mor Dhona)
DoW/DoM Guildmasters after you have cleared their lv 30 quest.
DoH/DoL Guildmasters after you have cleared their lv 50 quest.
Crystal Brave (Ul'dah)
Crystal Brave (Mor Dhona)
Brass Blade (Mor Dhona)
Haurchefant
Rowena
Buscarron
Fufulupa
Papashan

Raubahn slashing up that stupid lalafell, thank god

that lalafell die

Urianger

I really don't think Urianger has betrayed us, I get the feeling that Elidibus is betraying the Ascians. He's kinda the weakling among them and now that we have killed an immortal Ascian, it's possible he feels as though he should try to find common ground with mortals. He DID say something about his fate.

I've seen a lot of people complaining about Mwerlyb and Kan behaviour at the feast...what did they expect? They seem the most reasonable reactions, they're head of foreign states what are they supposed to do in another land with only a handful of bodyguards? I particularly liked Kan's face as she was walking out, was like 'ohshitohshitohshit!'

Surprised at Teledji's death, I had expectations of him being a lasting guy. I actually wanted to believe that the one who died was just an actor and Lolorito is really Teledji in disguise(he wears a mask!), but I know that's way out there so he's probably gone.

Alphinaud got told to *** off: GOOD! I was actually disappointed that Alisaie didn't show up and bitchslap him at Dragonhead, that would have been so good.

About Nanamo I have some doubts. I thought since her last appearance in a past update that she was going to pull some manipulation that's why I don't completely trust her death. I mean she did fake to be an adventurer at start to get out of the palace and do what she wanted.
Of course she could be really dead, but I wouldn't give it for certain just yet.

I've also seen people claim Tataru is suspicious. Idk man, I actually like her and she seems genuine. If she's evil like some claim I'll be blown away.

Ishgard plot: got nothing to say really, other than Lucia is probably a naughty one in bed.

Crystal Braves: that's what you get from a bunch of sellswords.

Urianger isn't a traitor, he's either trying to get some kind of necromancy out of Elidibus, or he doesn't really want anything from him and it's just Elidibus plotting something using Urianger. Blessed be his speech.

And finally there's the scions.
Holytropebatman. That was sooooo overdone I couldn't honestly feel it. The worst offender is Minfilia lol *woosh* oh snap I gotta stay you go on! Since the last patch I thoght she was going to die(and a few others, but not all) but much to my disappointment it looks like she's actually a survivor(nothing hints at her death, she's probably staying as scapegoat in the uldahn process).
Are the other 4 dead? It's possible, but I wouldn't rule out a deus ex and they're just injured and captured and it was all just for drama's sake. I like Yda, too bad if she's dead.

Oh and something I forgot: the player character. Guess why I forgot it? Cause he does *** nothing! Sultana is choking? Sit there watching, he only bothered to get up when she was on the ground, didn't reach out to her, didn't call anyone, anything an intelligent person would have done y'know?
Proves to be a coward in the escape when everyone sacrifices and he's the only one who doesn't bother to even pretend to put up a fight. Although I admit when Minfilia said she was gonna stay my reaction was to push her in the tunnel rather than try to stop her.
I get it he can't be acted cause it belongs to the player, but he's so completely worthless that it's a bit irritating. Only thing he did in this entire mess was to actually frame his own group with the poison thing.

Please find out more in Heavensward, we totally did this only so you have to buy it!

Well I enjoyed the whole CS it was nice seeing people potentially dieing. Papa and Yda I very much doubt are dead they will have been captured or have escaped. Ys'tola and Thancred those two I can see being dead and im not sure about Minfilia. I do I have second theory about the Scions Hyaedlin could have carried them away to then later release them once the time was right.

Now for Urianger there's three things it could be first of all possession but it didn't sound like it in the CS. Secondly he could be on their side working against us. Thirdly in the wake of Moenbryda's death he felt that he need to infiltrate the organisation and find out anything he could to avenger her death and considering no one but the Scions know about his feelings towards her they could have just let him in. Those are the three things that I think sounds plausible however some of my friends believe that he could have been an Ascian all this time as he has always worn the googles/hood.

As for Raubahn we already know his son is going to try and break the guy out. I very much doubt he managed to kill Ilbard since he is now locked up and he did make light work of the Brass blades. If his son doesn't break Raubahn out in time I'd imagine Raubahn will suffer the same fate as Ned Stark in S1 GoT.

The PC it was obvious that they wouldn't be doing much and that they couldn't stay behind as you wouldn't be able to play as you would end up getting caught or killed. This way we are left in suspense at what is going to happen or what has happened to the people we have fought with and for since the games release.

I think nanamo is still alive. They mentioned more than once, laying it on pretty thick, that all of this points to a deeper plot than just a power struggle in Uldah. That someone else besides the monetarists has something to do with this. I feel the garleans are the most likely suspects, if you help us you remain in power when we take over type of thing, but who knows could have something to do with the ascians or the ishgardians as well. I highly doubt this is solely an Ul'dah coup. When the lady in waiting and lolorito met after the cutscene ended was what kind of brought that full circle for me. like they couldn't stop the plan themselves so they concocted some kind of shift to it so that it plays out in their favor when things come to a close.

As for urianger I highly doubt he's turned on them. The ascian in the white rob was always referred to as an bserver rather than one to take action in any case and I think they were there to have a conversation on the things to come and possibly the roe lady.

Heidalyn intervening again is also something that needs to be taken into account for. Why did Minfilia go back after she spoke to her, what did she say? What could Minfilia do by going back? Could she rescue them? I just have a hard time believing that a giant part of your supporting cast is wiped out in a single blow.

In any case I enjoyed the finish and look forward to the expansion

I agree but I actually still question Nanamo's survival. But what will become of Raubahn? I could see him being executed or something. Otherwise he'd have to be fitted with a magitek arm or something and please, SE, PLEASE don't make him a reference to Barrett Wallace using Machinist as a reason.

Besides that, I got the feeling as soon as Hydaelyn spoke to Minfilia that they survived. There is also a Crystal Brave in Ul'dah who shoos you away saying you'll "be arrested like the others." What others? Most of the braves that weren't in on this scheme are probably dead or in hiding. I hope Alienne and Riol are ok.

The thing that has actually hit me hardest is Raubahn, I hate to see the guy be ruined for combat after being such a badass for so long. I can only hope he managed to slaughter Ilberd before his capture but I'm not counting on it. Never trusted that guy.

EDIT: I kinda get the feeling Elidibus is kinda turning on the Ascians after finding out that they CAN be killed. Also, one more note for the Scion's survival; there are three upcoming Primals, Primals are the scion's thing.

I played with the notion, for a moment, that the warrior walking in the snow might be Raubahn. I reviewed the footage to see if there was any way to see both arms but didn't see any. I like the idea that it's not the warrior of light. It's reminiscent of the D2/3 cut scenes with the wanderer.

I don't think it is, but I liked the idea.

Sounds like a cool idea but the warrior was clearly carrying a Bravura which is the generic Highlander FFXIV rep's weapon. Interesting thing is, in the trailer he changes from Warrior to Dragoon.

Or those are different people. You see armor fall but the entire setting had changed by that point in the preview. It's possible that it is mean to be the same person.

I think Raubahn will live. His boy will break him out and either branch off onto his own or try to gather the flames behind him. I assumed Cid would build him an arm but I never considered him to be the barret of 14 and I lol'd hard at that idea. I also hope that doesn't happen. Even with one arm though he'd still be fierce.

Yeah as soon as hiedalyn poked her head in it was further cause to believe that there was more to this and that the scions were to be needed. What about hoary boulder and his mage friend as well?!?

The other reason I think nanamo is alive is that I don't think they'd have momodi betray you if there wasn't a good reason and wel whether or not they got the bottle from her or not. Maybe she sent you out there and handed it over as part of the plot to make things right because they couldn't change the course that had already taken hold.

How will the other nations handle this? Is this an action take to seperate the alliance and make them more succeptible to invasion? Will they refuse to work together now?

More extreme primals yay lol.

Oh yeah. Why the hell is einstein alive? That was one of the bigger shocks for me having leveled up dragoon but I guess the job story line isn't in sync with the main story line? or he got his sanity back?

They should have just had a special instance after Teledji walks in an accuses you of regicide. You face off against waves of Brass Blades; If you "fail", you still progress, Ilberd walks in and mocks you. If you survive all the waves, cutscene has Ilberd taking you out by surprise. Just have it so failure is HP dropping below 10% or something to keep the player alive for the following section.

The Scions had to sacrifice themselves like that... Papalymo and Yda didn't need to do anything but force that gate shut and run off with the rest of us. Had they had any sense, they'd have blocked the entrance to Thancreds "secret" tunnel as well, instead of having Y'shtola drop the tunnel down on both of them, which also makes Minfilia going back all the more senseless. Is she going to dig them out or something? OK I get why that had to play out the way it did, I just think they could have done a much better job with the scenes. Same for Mwerlyb and Kan-E leaving; I totally get why they had to leave, but not particularly because of the cutscene... I'd say the whole thing was a bit sloppy and predictable (predictable I'm OK with, though), but Raubahn totally owned the scene (if he truly lost his balls, Ilberds comment certainly caused him to grow them back and then some) and I really enjoyed the ending. Escaping on the carriage you rode in on was a great touch, even if "escaping" was a 2 minute walk just east of Black Brush... I honestly started to feel a bit sad for Alphinaud as well, but then I noticed Tataru plays Triple Traid and shoved him out the way.

Oh, Yugiri was a big disappointment though. She lost her hood helping Tataru and that's it. "She's not hideous" from Tataru and that's it, there was pretty much zero reaction from anyone which just makes the whole thing seem ridiculous to me... Alphinaud didn't care at all, Tataru was Tataru, PC wasn't surprised and Yugiri herself didn't really seem all that bothered... Why make a point to mask her if her unmasking is going to be a complete non-point? At the very least, following talking to NPCs in Mor Dhona and Ul'dah, I was hoping to find an NPC in Limsa who may have seen Yugiri help Tataru and offer some reaction to her unmasking, but nope... Nothing... Very disappointing, now hurry up and bring me that Au Ra Character Creation Benchmark!

I'm thinking some of the Scions died aiding our escape (Y'shtola seemed final given her words (sadly if you go to Y'mhitra she's none the wiser)) and Nanamo really is dead. They'll be revived though, of course they will...

Primal summoning was a planned piece of content since before launch, and I do think it's still planned (last I heard they were waiting for it to make sense lore-wise). What better way to introduce player summoning Primals for good than having us summon Phoenix and undo the deaths? Could even be what Urianger and Elidibus are discussing. Given XIVs version of Phoenix (dem Coil spoilers)
Probably more likely we'll get a FFVI World of Ruin "Reunite the gang!" quest though, so they're probably not dead, I just really want FC Primal summoning already...

I'm also not sure Lolorito planned any of this... I think Teledji was a puppet (ironic, given his comments regarding Nanamo) and with him gone, Lolorito is next in line to control Ul'dah, hence Ilberds defense (given the positioning I don't think he even could have saved Teledji if he tried). Loloritos annoyance at the end simply being a case of "Oh f*ck what have I gotten myself into..." now that he is the replacement puppet following Teledjis death, though he could just as easily be annoyed that his plan completely failed seeing as we got away. While he never appeared to be a nice character, he never struck me as particularly evil or one for grand schemes... Fairly certain he is being used, I was expecting the handmaid to reveal herself as Altima in that scene, but I guess not.

It shows the WAR's gauntlets fall to the ground followed by him latching DRG gauntlets on his hands.

I didn't really see it as Momodi betraying you, but I never really thought about it that way.

I am also worried about what will happen to Hoary Boulder and Coultenet.

This is only personal opinion but it would be a little too easy to restore things to a happy place with Nanamo alive. The impression I got from playing the story and the npc's text changing in the cities, relative to where you are in the story, was that SE wants this to play like an online story that progresses.

I'm certain you're right about characters being alive that should have perished. I just don't think that Nanamo is among them. If I had to guess, the next set of cs's will begin with her funeral procession and Raubahn's escape.

As many have said before, we are just one person against a full army. Primals are one Primal against 8 blessed adventurers. You're outnumbered and besides that, killing your way to freedom is a horrible way to prove your innocence.

No. It shows A warrior gauntlet strike the ground in a tall tower and AN individual equipping a drg gauntlet on an urban battlefield. While I think you're right, it's less than certain.

Valid point, but the way the devs kinda said you are seeking asylum in Ishgard, the Highlander represents you, and it's implied that he takes a new identity as a DRG where his face is covered, it'd kinda make sense.

I like the idea of Raubahn having his own story going forward. He hungers for power to re-take Ul'dah and avenge Nanamo. In an effort to rally supporters and ask for assistance from Ishgard, he too travels "heavensward." It strikes me that among the other NPC's that are not in your entourage, he will certainly play a unique role.

Thinking about it, Ul'dah couldn't keep the scrawny Elezen woman in custody. I doubt Raubahn would have too much trouble getting out.

I wanna touch the whole "Tataru is not important" thing.

The reason a lot of people are questioning her atm is after the quests involving her she not only says goodbye in a very final way but she makes a point to acknowledge it. On top of this after walking away and assuming your departure there is a sly grin on her face that looks a little too menacing. Her absence from the feast is also a little too convenient as is coupled with a very surprised reaction at our being alive/free upon arriving in Coerthes. I also question if she actually visited Urianger before moving to our new sanctuary as I feel even with the Ascian meeting it seems unlikely that he wouldn't at least make a quick appearance to check the status of his allies before getting back to his research/personal matters.

Keep in mind Tataru is also the receptionist and if I remember correctly the book keeper for the Scions/Braves... Remember we were told that there were some funky looking fake companies in the books put there to allow outside donations from the syndicate which we know everyone was against. I doubt Tataru would have really passes up such stupid names without some suspicion...

There's just a lot to question about the wee Lala and I really don't trust her anymore.

I think it can and will progress with her safety though. She finally gets to abdicate the throne and establish the republic she was looking to set up. By doing that sets ul'dah up for a different governing body and eliminating the monarchy and downsizing the power of the monetarists. She steps out of the spotlight and new leaders for the nation emerge.

Urianger is a Scion who is in hiding under a glamoured Waking Sands, Tataru mentions that she should receive a call from Urianger any moment on her linkshell. So, one reason Urianger hasn't checked on anyone is, just as Flavin said, Elidibus is "an observer" Elidibus wanted to talk about his own fate as well as Urianger's, Urianger probably knows if they are ok or not and probably knows that Hydaelyn spoke to Minfilia. Tataru, I haven't really figured out yet but I wouldn't be surprised if she were under Ascian influence. If you look closely, when Elidibus gives Urianger a menacing smile, Urianger stared blankly. I didn't get the "let's do traitorous business" feeling from him.

this already happened once in Ul'dah history.

The better question is why can't any of those things happen in her absence? It strikes me that the only thing they gain, if those events unfold, by her being alive is people that like her are happier.

I've said nothing about Urianger being traitorous or not. In fact I'm heavily on the side he's not. Mostly because I know he's incredibly curious. I doubt he would ever pass up the chance at something like talking to an ancient being, even if he were to gather no information that would be useful to the current situation, if nothing else he is there out of his own thirst for knowledge than anything else.