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 Bahamut.Alukat
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:01:50
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hmm still no arguments from your side.

if you ever will have some arguments or knowledge, then we can talk again.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:04:16
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
hmm still no arguments from your side.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
When a forced increase in expenses, no increase in demand or supply, the only option available is #1. There is an economical term for that.

Tell you what, why don't you tell us what that term is, when you claim to have an education.

It's called "put your money where your mouth is."

If you claim to be correct and you know more about economics than I do, or even an education, why not answer this incredibly easy question?
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:06:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
hmm still no arguments from your side.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
When a forced increase in expenses, no increase in demand or supply, the only option available is #1. There is an economical term for that.

Tell you what, why don't you tell us what that term is, when you claim to have an education.

It's called "put your money where your mouth is."

If you claim to be correct and you know more about economics than I do, or even an education, why not answer this incredibly easy question?


it's simple, it's being tought to raise the price if expenses raise..... but you can also cover the additional expenses by selling more goods.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:07:26
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
hmm still no arguments from your side.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
When a forced increase in expenses, no increase in demand or supply, the only option available is #1. There is an economical term for that.

Tell you what, why don't you tell us what that term is, when you claim to have an education.

It's called "put your money where your mouth is."

If you claim to be correct and you know more about economics than I do, or even an education, why not answer this incredibly easy question?


it's simple, it's being tought to raise the price if expenses raise..... but you can also cover the additional expenses by selling more goods.
Wrong answer.

I'll give you a hint:

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
There is an economical term for that.
What is that economical term that I'm talking about?
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-18 15:09:26
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
well you aim for a higher living standart.... giving everyone an income increase of +10%, now they spend the money...
Where is that money going to come from? How does it exist? Did production increase from that? Will prices stay the same immediately after the forced income increase of 10%? How much real wages went up by?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
The economy is growing (that's what you mean by "stronger economy"? it would be helpfull if you define it).
I'm sorry, I figured you had some sort of education. A stronger economy is real, not nominal, economic growth. Real economic growth is how much purchasing power one has, how much $1 of your income gives to you.

What you are advocating is nominal economic growth, which is what $1 is.

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
People's living standard increased and the economy has grown, giving a 10% income increase has given the impuls.
Did you actually increase your purchasing power, or did you just increase your nominal wages?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
And there are ways to pay the 10% income increase, either tax the rich or make new debts or increase the wages.
1) Taxing the rich will prevent further production and investments from being realized. If you have $100 and have to pay taxes on $40, that means you have $60 left to buy stuff. Well, if you increase the taxes, that means you have less to buy stuff. How is that increasing production, and how is that expanding the economy?

2) How will you pay for those debts? If you borrow $10 to pay somebody else $10, and they produce nothing more, how are you going to pay the $10 back? How are you going to pay the interest if you have no money? You aren't earning anything more, you had to borrow $10 to pay it to somebody else, how in the world are you going to pay it back? And who's going to lend it to you if you have no way of paying it back?

3) You are saying that to solve a problem, you create the same problem again? How are increasing wages again a solution to paying the wage increases?

That quote above just shows how limited your knowledge is. How very limited your knowledge is to the economy. So limited that it is practically zero.

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
well, you got a 10% income increase, now you know how to pay it ;)
Let's put it this way: Today your pay is $100, and that TV costs $100. Your daily wage is worth one TV.

Now, tomorrow, you get a 10% increase in pay, but to counter it, that TV's price has to increase it's price by 10% to pay you the additional 10% wages. So, tomorrow your pay is $110, and that TV costs $110. Your daily wage is still worth one TV.

Did you really get a wage increase, or do you think you did?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
well, you know that all money is being created by debt? w/o debts there would be no money at all. major problem, like i've stated before.
Another example of ignorance. Money is not created by debt. Debt is a transfer of money from one person to another.

Money is "created" by production. It is not created by transfers, it is created by taking a raw product, producing a tangible asset, and trading it for services or a medium commonly used in exchanges (cash).

Nazrious said: »
The US has been a social capilist system for decades, this is basically why today we are a Corporate Welfare country. Our socialist programs benefit corporations. This in turn taints the socialist programs and further lines the pocket of corporations. The two systems are counter-opposed and the way the US does it fails to take this into account.
There is so much wrong with this quote that it would be impossible to counter it without teaching Economics 101.

Nazrious said: »
As far as that guy KN is concerned you can argue with yourself mate, I already have disproven/invalidated/won our "debate" if you can call it that, from here on out your posts in this thread will simply be disregarded.
Where did you win again?

And you still haven't answered my question from earlier.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Let's start by seeing what you think capital gains are. Please tell us all what income are capital gains.

for question number 1:
if you repealed the 16th amendment and established state banks like north Dakota , you would receive your full pay check with no federal income tax being taken out you would also being paying 40-30% less taxes then you currently are. This benefits companies and everyone in the state. This could create more jobs via town-city-state lvl. Currently with what we get now say you could only afford 1 nice car, well with that 16th amendment repealed you receive your hard earned money you could buy 2 new cars if you chose or 3 roughly for comparison. Your paychecks in general would go a long way per week, or bi weekly or salary.
Federal government does not specifically know what each state needs, the states themselves know better. But it is a obvious fact the 49 states inline with the federal reserve are in dire need of life support.

with all of that said, there was no point in there that i said taxes would increase or our national debt would increase. It would have the opposite effect, taxes would decrease significantly, and our national debt would shrink. Then finally we would have a simple tax code that makes sense and is equal across the board based on income.
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:09:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
There is an economical term for that.
What is that economical term that I'm talking about?

Why are quoting something as written by me, when i have never written it?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-18 15:11:13
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Deflecting those questions like a champ.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:14:07
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
There is an economical term for that.
What is that economical term that I'm talking about?

Why are quoting something as written by me, when i have never written it?
Congratulations, you have proven that everything you said is incorrect, and that you have no real knowledge of economics at all.

The term is called "inflation." It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price. This concept is something that anyone who takes an economics class would know on their first day of class.
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:19:29
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
There is an economical term for that.
What is that economical term that I'm talking about?

Why are quoting something as written by me, when i have never written it?
Congratulations, you have proven that everything you said is incorrect, and that you have no real knowledge of economics at all.

The term is called "inflation." It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price. This concept is something that anyone who takes an economics class would know on their first day of class.

okay, you're doing a wrong quote, i ask you, why you are doing a wrong quote and now you're answering it with, me "not having a clue about economics"...... what does this make you, a *** or a moron?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:20:14
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
for question number 1:
if you repealed the 16th amendment and established state banks like north Dakota , you would receive your full pay check with no federal income tax being taken out you would also being paying 40-30% less taxes then you currently are. This benefits companies and everyone in the state. This could create more jobs via town-city-state lvl. Currently with what we get now say you could only afford 1 nice car, well with that 16th amendment repealed you receive your hard earned money you could buy 2 new cars if you chose or 3 roughly for comparison. Your paychecks in general would go a long way per week, or bi weekly or salary.
Federal government does not specifically know what each state needs, the states themselves know better. But it is a obvious fact the 49 states inline with the federal reserve are in dire need of life support.

with all of that said, there was no point in there that i said taxes would increase or our national debt would increase. It would have the opposite effect, taxes would decrease significantly, and our national debt would shrink. Then finally we would have a simple tax code that makes sense and is equal across the board based on income.
Well, the federal government would collapse, but not the states.

See, you are assuming that all of the money in the country goes towards one person. If federal income tax was repealed, all that would do is destroy our national defense and welfare. While forcing people who can work to work is not a bad thing, destroying overall welfare is a very bad thing. You would have absolutely no support for food/gas/production and are looking at immediate hyperinflation right off the bat. Not to mention all of the riots going on from pretty much ever citizen in the nation at the same time, as everyone benefits from one way or another from government welfare (food support alone would be cause for riot).

But overall, states would benefit from additional support of the additional income, they lose the most precious aspects, which is national defense and interstate commerce.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:21:55
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Alukat said: »
There is an economical term for that.
What is that economical term that I'm talking about?

Why are quoting something as written by me, when i have never written it?
Congratulations, you have proven that everything you said is incorrect, and that you have no real knowledge of economics at all.

The term is called "inflation." It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price. This concept is something that anyone who takes an economics class would know on their first day of class.

okay, you're doing a wrong quote, i ask you, why you are doing a wrong quote and now you're answering it with, me "not having a clue about economics"...... what does this make you, a *** or a moron?
You were given two options to answer the question, wrong quote or not, to prove your knowledge that you claimed you have. Not only did you fail to do so, you deflect the question itself and *** about not answering it.

So, you basically proven to us that you still have no idea what you are talking about. Or are you going to refute the economic concept of inflation now?
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:22:03
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
The term is called "inflation." It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price. This concept is something that anyone who takes an economics class would know on their first day of class.

have you read a single post of mine?

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Companies have 4 options.

1. same production + "high" increasing of the price.
2. "high" increase of the production + keeping the price.
3. "mid" increase of the production + "low" increase of the price.
4. "low" increase of the production + "mid" increase of the price.

it depends on what the companies choose to do.

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It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price.

ta-daaaaa option 1, 3 & 4 and reasons for inflation.....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:23:00
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
The term is called "inflation." It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price. This concept is something that anyone who takes an economics class would know on their first day of class.

have you read a single post of mine?

Quote:
Companies have 4 options.

1. same production + "high" increasing of the price.
2. "high" increase of the production + keeping the price.
3. "mid" increase of the production + "low" increase of the price.
4. "low" increase of the production + "mid" increase of the price.

it depends on what the companies choose to do.

Quote:
It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price.

ta-daaaaa option 3 & 4 >.>
Keep digging that hole.

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It happens when price rises, but production/purchasing power does not increase at the same rate as the price.
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:24:46
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Keep digging that hole.

made an edit.... nice you figured, that a raise in price in called inflation (y), this makes you a totally economics expert....

since you haven't figured it yet, i stated reasons for price-inflation (price increase) ;)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 15:26:14
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Keep digging that hole.

made an edit.... nice you figured, that a raise in price in called inflation (y), this makes you a totally economics expert....

since you haven't figured it yet, i stated reasons for price-inflation (price increase) ;)
You still don't realize your error, don't you?
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:27:28
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
You still don't realize your error, don't you?

i found the error
being methaphorically now, i'm talking about dogs and you are "but fishes are swimming inside the sea"......
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-12-18 15:28:14
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Stop feeding the troll.
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 15:28:53
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Stop feeding the troll.
will do.
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Stop feeding the troll.
Who are you talking to?
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Can someone sum up Alukat's views in a single post?

Preferable Alukat.
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I highly doubt he can.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberif 2014-12-18 16:13:40
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14,500mil/316mil people. 45.88$ out of everyone's pocket...
nice

id probably goto jail if someone tried to grab that out of my pocket under normal circumstances.
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Quetzalcoatl.Taberif said: »
14,500mil/316mil people. 45.88$ out of everyone's pocket...
nice

id probably goto jail if someone tried to grab that out of my pocket under normal circumstances.
It's more like $86.57, since 47% of Americans do not pay any income taxes at all.
 
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Can someone sum up Alukat's views in a single post?

Preferable Alukat.

We need to set priorities. (living standard vs. gross national income) High GNI doesn't automatically lead to a high living standard for all people.

We need to consider short term solutions to minimize damages/prevent more problems untill the long-term solutions are having an effect.

I'm prefering a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

"The cake is a lie" (the "wealth for all" capitalism lie)

the way money is being created is a scam and will always lead to economical crisises.

i guess this summary will do the job ^^
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improvement in technology is the only way to improve standard of living
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-12-18 16:40:32
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Quetzalcoatl.Taberif said: »
improvement in technology is the only way to improve standard of living

only if everyone gets access to the technology ;)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 16:40:48
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Bahamut.Alukat said: »
We need to set priorities. (living standard vs. gross national income) High GNI doesn't automatically lead to a high living standard for all people.
Yet, you admitted that a higher GDP (again, do you even know what the "D" stands for?) leads to better standards of living. You just get confused by the order that needs to be taken place.

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
We need to consider short term solutions to minimize damages/prevent more problems untill the long-term solutions are having an effect.
Why do you think that long-term solutions have no effect and doesn't produce results during the time the long-term solution is taking effect?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
I'm prefering a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.
You don't even understand what capitalism is. How can you prefer something you have no clue what it is?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
"The cake is a lie" (the "wealth for all" capitalism lie)
Wait, didn't you just say you prefer a hybrid of capitalism, then just stated that capitalism is a lie?

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
the way money is being created is a scam and will always lead to economical crisises.
You still do not know how wealth is created. I tried to explain it to you, but you have yet to create an argument against what I said.

Your examples were flawed as it doesn't show actual growth, it just shows nominal changes.

Bahamut.Alukat said: »
i guess this summary will do the job ^^
You are correct, that summary did show how clueless you are.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-18 16:41:17
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Quetzalcoatl.Taberif said: »
improvement in technology is the only way to improve standard of living
Not necessary. It helps, but it's not the cause.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Taberif 2014-12-18 16:44:32
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please feel free to feed me your best *** on how you would improve standard of living without effecting technology
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