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Illinois Electronic Voting Machines Changes Votes
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 12:42:55
It's very possible that it was intentional by a coder, but very unlikely. And by that, the coder should be charged with voter fraud in that state. And I hope that the issue that Candlejack shown us was resolved and action was taken instead of being pushed in the back room, as most of these issues generally happen.
But still, do you think that this could be a calibration issue when it only affects specific boxes and not the entire ballot as a whole (as Democrats are still able to vote Democrat)?
Please don't think this is a bipartisan issue, I would rather have a completely fair election where 100% of the votes are accurate by living people only voting once than the widespread fraud that we have nowadays in specific counties across the country.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-23 12:56:56
Yes, it could be a calibration issue.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 12:58:36
But anyways, calibration issues can be so many things you honestly can't tell why it's happening without having access to the machine + backend code. So, are you saying that calibration issues can be man made?
Or that the one department most likely and able to commit voter fraud telling everyone that this is a calibration issue without going into full details?
Personally, I would love to see a report from a third party group doing their own calibration tests and look at coding to see if this was deliberate or machine made.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-10-23 12:59:20
It's very possible that it was intentional by a coder, but very unlikely. And by that, the coder should be charged with voter fraud in that state. And I hope that the issue that Candlejack shown us was resolved and action was taken instead of being pushed in the back room, as most of these issues generally happen.
But still, do you think that this could be a calibration issue when it only affects specific boxes and not the entire ballot as a whole (as Democrats are still able to vote Democrat)?
Please don't think this is a bipartisan issue, I would rather have a completely fair election where 100% of the votes are accurate by living people only voting once than the widespread fraud that we have nowadays in specific counties across the country. Then have open source, formally audited code used for electronic voting machines, and allow for a valieation mechanism by the voter/polling authority.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-23 13:05:38
Inked fingerprints and pin *** on the finger should accompany every vote for a candidate. That way you can literally enter into a pact with a demon and suffer for the duration of a bad period of rule.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:06:03
It's very possible that it was intentional by a coder, but very unlikely. And by that, the coder should be charged with voter fraud in that state. And I hope that the issue that Candlejack shown us was resolved and action was taken instead of being pushed in the back room, as most of these issues generally happen.
But still, do you think that this could be a calibration issue when it only affects specific boxes and not the entire ballot as a whole (as Democrats are still able to vote Democrat)?
Please don't think this is a bipartisan issue, I would rather have a completely fair election where 100% of the votes are accurate by living people only voting once than the widespread fraud that we have nowadays in specific counties across the country. Then have open source, formally audited code used for electronic voting machines, and allow for a valieation mechanism by the voter/polling authority. Would love to, but unfortunately I can't request that since I'm not a citizen of Illinois. I could make a request for the Texas polling computers though.
Although, it looks like they do a decent audit anyway
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-23 13:11:38
Isn't it easier to buy votes than to rig polling machines?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:13:07
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »But anyways, calibration issues can be so many things you honestly can't tell why it's happening without having access to the machine + backend code. So, are you saying that calibration issues can be man made?
Or that the one department most likely and able to commit voter fraud telling everyone that this is a calibration issue without going into full details?
Personally, I would love to see a report from a third party group doing their own calibration tests and look at coding to see if this was deliberate or machine made. Humans can, and do on occasion, make mistakes when maintaining and calibrating machinery without realizing a mistake has been made. It's happened in the past, with more than just voting machines. Not everyone is perfect, and machines will only ever perform as good as the people that build and care for them. There are internal controls that prevent defective machines from being placed in service. If this was the case, as you described, then I question the Cook County Board of Elections for not having adequate controls to prevent defective machines from being placed in service.
For something as important as elections, you should expect perfection from everything, otherwise the whole system is bad and needs to be corrected. Votes should be right the first time.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-10-23 13:16:18
Democrats Republicans in IL never !
ftfy.
Chicago is a breeding ground of corruption and government control, of course it's the Liberal Holy Land. Corrpution isn't just for the liberals... the conservatives take just as much a part in it... if you don't think so then you've certainly found a way to delude yourself right into the party line...
That's the kind of crap people say to justify their apathy.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:27:07
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »But anyways, calibration issues can be so many things you honestly can't tell why it's happening without having access to the machine + backend code. So, are you saying that calibration issues can be man made?
Or that the one department most likely and able to commit voter fraud telling everyone that this is a calibration issue without going into full details?
Personally, I would love to see a report from a third party group doing their own calibration tests and look at coding to see if this was deliberate or machine made. Humans can, and do on occasion, make mistakes when maintaining and calibrating machinery without realizing a mistake has been made. It's happened in the past, with more than just voting machines. Not everyone is perfect, and machines will only ever perform as good as the people that build and care for them. There are internal controls that prevent defective machines from being placed in service. If this was the case, as you described, then I question the Cook County Board of Elections for not having adequate controls to prevent defective machines from being placed in service.
For something as important as elections, you should expect perfection from everything, otherwise the whole system is bad and needs to be corrected. Votes should be right the first time.
Well you'll never have a perfect system as there will always be the human error. Do you sue every fast food that make mistakes in your orders? So, are you saying that it's perfectly understandable and acceptable for our electorate system to be riddled with mistakes and errors?
I don't demand perfection on the minute things in life, like you are implying that I do, but when it comes to something that not only is important for the leadership of this nation, but also does not happen but once every 2 years, these mistakes and errors should not even exist.
But you are Canadian, so what do you know of integrity of the electoral system?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:40:03
So, are you saying that it's perfectly understandable and acceptable for our electorate system to be riddled with mistakes and errors?
As long as the errors made are being fixed/checked, yes? Work toward improvement, amazing. Perfection isn't going to happen. Again, if you have a department of the government who's only job occurs once every 2 years, don't you expect that the errors and calibrations and tests to already have occurred during, oh I don't know, the time between jobs?
It shouldn't even take them a month per county to test every single machine they have in the county.
Seriously, we should accept ineptitude and mediocrity...
By Jetackuu 2014-10-23 13:41:18
Thing is they usually are tested and calibrated, ***happens.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:42:39
Thing is they usually are tested and calibrated, ***happens. Right, and if the errors are still happening, the either the people doing the tests are grossly incompetent or voter fraud is happening.
So, which is it?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-23 13:55:04
The obvious solution is stricter voter ID laws.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 13:59:33
Thing is they usually are tested and calibrated, ***happens. Right, and if the errors are still happening, the either the people doing the tests are grossly incompetent or voter fraud is happening.
So, which is it?
You want someone testing the devices between every uses? Between every election.
How hard is that again?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 14:03:10
Maybe not from use, but if they were defective before the first vote was cast, don't you have to question if there was any testing done on the machines at all?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 14:20:36
Maybe not from use, but if they were defective before the first vote was cast, don't you have to question if there was any testing done on the machines at all?
Obviously, but then again it could just be a human error.
Or maybe it's a big scheme from the republicans, making a massive fraud toward democrats to give them bad press! Again, not a partisan issue.
Both sides have committed fraud over the years, the point is to prevent it from happening again.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-23 14:44:18
Democrats Republicans in IL never !
ftfy.
Chicago is a breeding ground of corruption and government control, of course it's the Liberal Holy Land. Corrpution isn't just for the liberals... the conservatives take just as much a part in it... if you don't think so then you've certainly found a way to delude yourself right into the party line...
That's the kind of crap people say to justify their apathy. No. It's a response to someone claiming that corruption makes something a liberal holy land... It's more like a politicians holy land...
If you think that it's solely a partisan issue then you're deluding yourself...
I'm also not saying that nothing should be done about it...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 14:49:23
Democrats Republicans in IL never !
ftfy.
Chicago is a breeding ground of corruption and government control, of course it's the Liberal Holy Land. Corrpution isn't just for the liberals... the conservatives take just as much a part in it... if you don't think so then you've certainly found a way to delude yourself right into the party line...
That's the kind of crap people say to justify their apathy. No. It's a response to someone claiming that corruption makes something a liberal holy land... It's more like a politicians holy land...
If you think that it's solely a partisan issue then you're deluding yourself...
I'm also not saying that nothing should be done about it... Are you still harping on that? I didn't say that corruption alone makes a liberal. There is plenty of corruption on the conservative side too.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-10-23 14:56:29
Democrats Republicans in IL never !
ftfy.
Chicago is a breeding ground of corruption and government control, of course it's the Liberal Holy Land. Corrpution isn't just for the liberals... the conservatives take just as much a part in it... if you don't think so then you've certainly found a way to delude yourself right into the party line...
That's the kind of crap people say to justify their apathy. No. It's a response to someone claiming that corruption makes something a liberal holy land... It's more like a politicians holy land...
If you think that it's solely a partisan issue then you're deluding yourself...
I'm also not saying that nothing should be done about it... Voter fraud is almost entirely democrat, and is the majority reason for the resistance to Voter ID.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-23 15:02:36
Democrats Republicans in IL never !
ftfy.
Chicago is a breeding ground of corruption and government control, of course it's the Liberal Holy Land. Corrpution isn't just for the liberals... the conservatives take just as much a part in it... if you don't think so then you've certainly found a way to delude yourself right into the party line...
That's the kind of crap people say to justify their apathy. No. It's a response to someone claiming that corruption makes something a liberal holy land... It's more like a politicians holy land...
If you think that it's solely a partisan issue then you're deluding yourself...
I'm also not saying that nothing should be done about it... Voter fraud is almost entirely democrat, and is the majority reason for the resistance to Voter ID. Sorry, but what?
Voter fraud is not a democrat-majority event. Both sides have an equal blame in this.
Unless you want to back up your statement with evidence that voter fraud is mainly a democrat ploy. Broadly stating that the resistance for voter ID is not a good excuse.
While voter ID laws will help prevent fraud, opposition of voter ID is not the same as saying that the opposition endorses fraud.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2014-10-23 15:13:58
It's like the electronic version of this:
Several counties in Illinois, including Cook and DuPage Counties that encompasses Chicago, the voting machines for early voting changes any and all Republican cast votes to Democrat.
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Quote: CHICAGO — Early voting in Illinois got off to a rocky start Monday, as votes being cast for Republican candidates were transformed into votes for Democrats.
Republican state representative candidate Jim Moynihan went to vote Monday at the Schaumburg Public Library.
“I tried to cast a vote for myself and instead it cast the vote for my opponent,” Moynihan said. “You could imagine my surprise as the same thing happened with a number of races when I tried to vote for a Republican and the machine registered a vote for a Democrat.”
The conservative website Illinois Review reported that “While using a touch screen voting machine in Schaumburg, Moynihan voted for several races on the ballot, only to find that whenever he voted for a Republican candidate, the machine registered the vote for a Democrat in the same race. He notified the election judge at his polling place and demonstrated that it continued to cast a vote for the opposing candidate’s party. Moynihan was eventually allowed to vote for Republican candidates, including his own race.
Moynihan offered this gracious lesson to his followers on Twitter: “Be careful when you vote in Illinois. Make sure you take the time to check your votes before submitting.”
Cook County Board of Elections Deputy Communications Director Jim Scalzitti, told Illinois Watchdog, the machine was taken out of service and tested.
“This was a calibration error of the touch-screen on the machine,” Scalzitti said. “When Mr. Moynihan used the touch-screen, it improperly assigned his votes due to improper calibration.”
I guess that they forgot to switch it back from the last election.
Notice that they change all Republican votes to Democrat, but not the other way around? And blame it on "calibration error" which wouldn't explain why it's only affecting one side and not the other....
(sidenote: I tried to find this story in other news sources, but none are reporting this, go figure)
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