Hong Kong's Darkest Hours.

Eorzea Time
 
 
 
Language: JP EN FR DE
Version 3.1
New Items
users online
Forum » Everything Else » Politics and Religion » Hong Kong's darkest hours.
Hong Kong's darkest hours.
First Page 2
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-28 16:47:57
Link | Quote | Reply
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/28/world/asia/china-hong-kong-students/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Hong Kong (CNN) -- After a day of tense protests in Hong Kong in which at least 38 people were injured, organizers called on tens of thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators in the Chinese territory to head home late Sunday.
But early Monday morning, it appeared many of the protesters were set to continue to jam streets of the business district.
The sometimes violent demonstrations follow a week of student-led boycotts and protests against what many see as the encroachment of China's political will on Hong Kong's governance. They were responding to China's decision to allow only Beijing-vetted candidates to stand in the city's elections for chief executive, Hong Kong's top civil position.
One student group, fearing police might use rubber bullets, asked late Sunday for demonstrators to leave. But while the mood at the primary protest had calmed, there was no large exodus.
Not all protest leaders were calling for people to leave. Pro-democracy activist and lawmaker Leung Kwok-hung, known by many as "Long Hair," cheered on those who were staying.
Pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong Hong Kong youth demanding democracy Hong Kong democracy protest Hong Kong students rally for democracy
"Our demands have not changed. This is a peaceful civil disobedience protest," he called out over a loudspeaker as midnight approached.
Cardinal Joseph Zen, the former Catholic Bishop of Hong Kong and a leader of Occupy Central, was one of the organizers who called for demonstrators to disperse.
"Please go home, don't sacrifice your lives," he said to the protesters. Dialogue is impossible at this point, he told them.
At least 38 people were injured and hospitalized, the Hong Kong Information Services Department said Sunday. A spokesman gave no details on the extent of the injuries. The department earlier said six police officers were injured, but it was unclear whether they were included in the 38 figure.
Several of the young people occupying the business district told CNN they were going to stay overnight.
The student-led protests, which were joined Sunday by the like-minded Occupy Central movement, have sought to occupy government property and shut down the business district.
Arrests, batons, tear gas
In an early morning video statement addressed to all Hong Kong residents, Hong Kong Chief Executive C.Y. Leung called for people to leave. He said police have exercised the greatest possible restraint in dealing with the protesters.
Riot police have occasionally wielded batons against protesters. They have also used pepper spray, and tear gas has been deployed against more than one group of protesters around the Central Government Offices. There were more reports of tear gas early Monday.
Protesters wore goggles or masks and raincoats, and many held umbrellas to protect against the possible use of pepper spray.
Early Monday, dozens of protesters moved barricades to block a main thoroughfare.
Demonstrators also have occupied the upscale Pacific Place shopping mall, located near the main protest site, organizers said Sunday evening. They said the number of protesters continues to grow.
The number of police officers at the protests also grew.
There is an "optimal amount of police officers dispersed" around the scene, a Hong Kong police spokesperson told CNN.
Police said they have arrested 78 people, ranging in age from 16 to 58, including some leaders.
Yvonne Leung, the spokeswoman for the Hong Kong Federation of Students, which organized the protest, said high school student protest leader Joshua Wong was released Sunday.
Meet the 17-year-old preparing for Hong Kong's battle for democracy
The group later tweeted that Alex Chow and Lester Shum, who were arrested Saturday, also had been released.
In a statement Sunday evening, Yvonne Leung said the protesters called for C.Y. Leung and three other politicians working on political reform to resign. If the demand, and three others, go unmet, the students vowed to step up their protests and will boycott school.
The previous week had seen days of action, as university and high school students came out in droves to rally against what they believe is the Chinese central government's reneging on key promises for Hong Kong's political future.
Government response
C.Y. Leung said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region government is "resolute in opposing the unlawful occupation" of the government buildings.
"The police are determined to handle the situation appropriately in accordance with the law," he said.
C.Y. Leung, who was addressing the protesters for the first time, urged Hong Kong's residents to express their dissatisfaction with the political process in a safe and lawful manner.
He said that a round of consultations on electoral reform will take place "shortly" but went on to appeal to pro-democracy activists to engage in rational discussions through lawful means "so as to allow the more than 5 million eligible voters in Hong Kong to elect the chief executive in 2017 for the first time in Hong Kong's history by one person, one vote." He reaffirmed that the government in Hong Kong will uphold Beijing's decision.
The Chinese central government said that it is "confident" that the Hong Kong government can handle the movement lawfully, according to a report in Chinese state media. The Chinese government opposes all illegal activities that "could undermine rule of law and jeopardize 'social tranquility,'" the report says.
Student protesters joined
The movement developed into a much larger, more inclusive display of defiance as the Occupy Central movement joined the students' rally early Sunday.
The pro-democracy advocacy group, which is not affiliated with the broader anti-capitalist Occupy movement, has been vowing to lead a campaign of civil disobedience in the face of China's decision to control what candidates can run for Hong Kong's top office.
"Occupy Central has formally begun," said a statement by the group. "The two nights of occupation of Civic Square in Admiralty have completely embodied the awakening of Hong Kong people's desire to decide their own lives.
"The courage of the students and members of the public in their spontaneous decision to stay has touched many Hong Kong people. Yet, the government has remained unmoved. As the wheel of time has reached this point, we have decided to arise and act."
Hong Kong protests: What you need to know
Government: Fears are 'unfounded'
C.Y. Leung, the city's chief executive, told CNN that fears that the nominating process for the 2017 election were too restrictive were "unfounded."
"We have not even started to discuss the detailed but crucial aspects of the nominating process for potential chief executive candidates," he wrote in an exclusive commentary.
"This will be the subject of a public consultation to be launched soon and which will eventually lead to the enabling legislation on changes to the electoral method for the 2017 election."
Hong Kong chief executive: Raw emotion 'will get us nowhere'
Core group of protesters isolated
The three entrances to Civic Square, which houses a core group of protesters, were blocked off by steel barricades and guarded by around 100 police officers.
A protest leader, over a public address system, told the crowd that since the police claim the gathering is an unlawful assembly, supplies including water and audio equipment won't be allowed into the sealed-off protest area. Supplies, the voice on the microphone said, were also confiscated by the police.
Demonstrators claimed that undercover officers had joined the main protest group, and others said they had seen police preparing water cannon.
Many in the city, which under British rule enjoyed considerable political freedom, fear a rollback of the city's political autonomy, agreed between Britain and China under the Basic Law. The Basic Law, which serves as a de facto constitution, was written in the lead-up to the 1997 handover of sovereignty.

YouTube Video Placeholder
[+]
 Phoenix.Michiiru
Offline
Server: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
user: Michiiru
Posts: 271
By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-28 16:50:43
Link | Quote | Reply
 
This will not end well...
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-28 16:51:51
Link | Quote | Reply
 
The people in Hong Kong are showing world class calmness, if this protest happened in any other place there would be molotovs flying...

Why use tear gas and mace on defenseless civilians?!

This video below is BS to the max:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152714598112486&set=vb.583902485&type=2&theater
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-28 16:59:13
Link | Quote | Reply
 
I'm so worried of all my friends in Hong Kong, judging from FB, about 80% of my friends are on the streets right now and it's 6AM over there, they have been out there on the streets for hours now...

Honestly this will backfire the HK's policeforce and the government on a massive scale, no matter whatever action they're taking.

We're hoping for an impeachment but it is unprecedented.
 Alexander.Carrelo
Offline
Server: Alexander
Game: FFXI
user: Carrelo
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-09-28 19:50:13
Link | Quote | Reply
 
大陸不遵守協議的話,就該把香港還給英國啦~ :P

A lot of my friends are there right now too--I hope everyone will be OK. :( 支持香港人民!!
[+]
 Leviathan.Chaosx
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: ChaosX128
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-28 20:00:12
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Asura.Nanabi said: »
Why use tear gas and mace on defenseless civilians?!
Sounds like copyright infringement.

 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-28 20:20:35
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Asura.Nanabi said: »
Why use tear gas and mace on defenseless civilians?!
Sounds like copyright infringement.


The messed up part was the person who was maced looks like she's in her 60s and it was a high rank officer, who tapped on her shoulder so she'd turn and he gets to spray it on her face.
Offline
Posts: 35422
By fonewear 2014-09-28 21:30:22
Link | Quote | Reply
 
They have hippies in Hong Kong ?
[+]
 Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby
Offline
Server: Gilgamesh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 971
By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-09-28 21:44:31
Link | Quote | Reply
 
They protest to gain the freedoms we protest to give away.
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-28 22:03:02
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
They protest to gain the freedoms we protest to give away.

It was a court order that has deals with a political party behind our backs, eversince that there were many trying to revoke that decision.
 Leviathan.Chaosx
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: ChaosX128
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-28 23:03:34
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Quote:
The dollar hit a four-year peak against a basket of currencies in early Asian trade on Monday, bolstering Japanese shares, but other Asian shares shrugged off Friday's Wall Street rebound in the face of political unrest in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong shares dropped 2.3 percent to three-month lows in the worst unrest since China took back control of the former British colony two decades ago.

MSCI's broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan dropped 0.7 percent, hitting its lowest level since mid-May.

Even the usually calm Hong Kong-dollar, which is pegged to a narrow band against the U.S. dollar, slipped 0.1 percent to 7.761 against the greenback, its lowest level since March, as the street clashes affected some banks' operations.

"We consider the peg (to the U.S. dollar) virtually unbreakable but (today's fall in the spot price) is a warning that financial markets and the economy are vulnerable to political uncertainty," said Tim Condon, Asia economist at ING.

Offshore yuan traded at 6.1545 to the dollar, slightly weaker than Friday but off the six-week low of 6.1787 hit earlier this month.

Markets in mainland China have so far weathered the storm, however, with Shanghai shares rising 0.3 percent.
Asian stocks on edge as HK seethes, U.S. dollar shines
 Bahamut.Kara
Offline
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
user: Kara
Posts: 3544
By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-29 08:51:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
The protesters look very calm.
Banks shut branches over Hong Kong protests
 Ragnarok.Afania
Offline
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: Afania
Posts: 2822
By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-09-29 09:38:16
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Kinda surprised, I thought ppl in HK mostly doesn't support the movement.

Anyways gl.
 Quetzalcoatl.Maldini
Offline
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
user: maldini
Posts: 303
By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-29 11:42:26
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Don't know why China is so hellbent on change. The previous arrangement between Hong Kong and China seemed to be working so well. Why are they rocking the boat?
 Lakshmi.Flavin
Offline
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-29 11:56:41
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
Don't know why China is so hellbent on change. The previous arrangement between Hong Kong and China seemed to be working so well. Why are they rocking the boat?
China doesn't want things to change that is why they seem to be doing this. From what I've read mainland China only allowed those vetted and approved by the mainland to be in a position to run HK therefore taking out any kind of democratic process and instead putting someone in control that will do what they want them to do. Residents of HK appearantly took offense to this and are demanding the person in power be taken out of that position and a fair election take place.

I've read that the actions of the mainland might be in response to fears that the sentiments in HK might spread to the mainland and this is possible action to try and prevent that from happening.

I've only read an article or two on this though so idk...
Offline
Posts: 35422
By fonewear 2014-09-29 13:07:42
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)

[+]
 Ragnarok.Afania
Offline
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: Afania
Posts: 2822
By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-09-29 13:16:35
Link | Quote | Reply
 
fonewear said: »
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)



I thought they do that in China but not HK, but I'm not sure! Not sure if the profit gain from RMT is worth the rent cost in HK.
 Sylph.Tigerwoods
Offline
Server: Sylph
Game: FFXI
user: Vegetto
Posts: 15064
By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-09-29 13:18:23
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bahamut.Kara said: »
The protesters look very calm.
Banks shut branches over Hong Kong protests
I'm digging the girl in the pink shirt
Offline
Posts: 8047
By Afania 2014-09-29 13:20:04
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
The protesters look very calm.
Banks shut branches over Hong Kong protests
I'm digging the girl in the pink shirt

Picnic!
Offline
Posts: 932
By Chyula 2014-09-29 13:57:47
Link | Quote | Reply
 
a whole bunch of pawns for the politicians.
 Bahamut.Dannyl
Offline
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
user: dannyl
Posts: 1549
By Bahamut.Dannyl 2014-09-29 14:33:13
Link | Quote | Reply
 
fonewear said: »
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)


hahahahah. loving that picture. check out them supervisors. 'moar gold now!'
Offline
Posts: 42645
By Jetackuu 2014-09-29 14:39:51
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Yeah, what's up with that?
 Quetzalcoatl.Maldini
Offline
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
user: maldini
Posts: 303
By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-29 15:22:36
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
fonewear said: »
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)



I thought they do that in China but not HK, but I'm not sure! Not sure if the profit gain from RMT is worth the rent cost in HK.
People in HK =/= people in China. HK is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. Not the kind of place where people are poor enough to RMT.
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-30 03:28:46
Link | Quote | Reply
 
fonewear said: »
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)

The ignorance of this post
[+]
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-30 03:32:56
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Chyula said: »
a whole bunch of pawns for the politicians.
Care to elaborate? If you are talking about how the students are being used in the "Occupy Central" movement that the 3 politicians started, mind telling me why would it matter when the politicians, or the foreign forces from the US or the UN has nothing to do with us Hong Kongers not getting a fair election?

Those students went on the street for the sake of the better future in Hong Kong. You have no idea what have happened in the last 17 years in our city because of bad decisions that are made by our own China-vetted Hong Kong government, who were supposed to make it right for us.

It was time for us to take a stand.
 Ragnarok.Zeig
Online
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
user: Zeig
Posts: 1493
By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-09-30 03:41:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
The protesters look very calm.
Banks shut branches over Hong Kong protests
I'm digging the girl in the pink shirt
But you can't even see her face clearly! (I get what you dig though)

Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
fonewear said: »
Thought this was Hong Kong's darkest hour:

(farming WoW gold)



I thought they do that in China but not HK, but I'm not sure! Not sure if the profit gain from RMT is worth the rent cost in HK.
People in HK =/= people in China. HK is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. Not the kind of place where people are poor enough to RMT.
Kinda the point Afania was making, she just needed to be more assertive about it!
Offline
Posts: 4027
By Blazed1979 2014-09-30 03:48:50
Link | Quote | Reply
 
That went right over my head :s lol
Offline
Posts: 1308
By Wordspoken 2014-09-30 03:50:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Honestly, it was only a matter of time. Ever since -97, there has been a conflict in HK, which hasn't been solved. Not easy to solve it as opposing sides want to go to different direction. It might be possible to come up with some sort of compromise model, but I don't know. Looks bad.
 Cerberus.Spirachub
Offline
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: Spiraboo
Posts: 516
By Cerberus.Spirachub 2014-09-30 05:37:32
Link | Quote | Reply
 
China doesn't do compromise. Sad as it is, people are likely to not get anything out of it. The most they could get is CY Leung to step down. Which is probably good since he's terrible at his job.

But imo it's not necessarily universal suffrage that people are after. If the government does a good job, who cares how it was formed. It's not so much about one person one vote, it's the fear of suppressing freedom of speech, increasing propaganda and lies, limitations on freedom of the press, attempts on radical reform on education and the law to be more like china - these things are getting people worried.
[+]
 Asura.Nanabi
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: Nanabi
Posts: 340
By Asura.Nanabi 2014-09-30 05:56:52
Link | Quote | Reply
 
^
If I can like what you just said 10 times, I would like it 11 times!

Honestly, everyone is waiting for that "Your move, China" thing to happen at this point in the event.
First Page 2