Execute Woman - Starving & Abusing 9-year-old

So many of the people in there on drug charges or repetition of minor criminal charges are literally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE or at least borderline intellectual functioning. Not to mention have a host of other psychological problems.

They don't need prison time, they need a support structure. Which is why in many cases they actually do well in prison. They get a set schedule. They get their meds. They get structure.

Then they do their nickel and get released and end up right back doing dumb things because they really don't know any different.

When people say "criminals are really stupid," they don't know how literal that statement can be for so many of the repeat offenders of minor crimes.

They're born not that bright in the first place, are raised in terrible environments never given the help they need, and then are set loose on the world as "adults".

But by all means, let's keep incarcerating them and -- worse -- keep them locked up with the actual violent offenders and the like that people don't want to put to death.

You want to talk about cruel and unusual.

What about the individual rights of the tortured, murdered victim to justice?

What about the individual rights of the tortured, murdered victim to justice?

While there's a subset of the population that is exactly as you describe, To declare "so many" is ludicrous and quite frankly rude.

One of us deals with these people for a living. One of us doesn't.

I make no claim as to what percentage of them fall into this category.

But the physical number is not a small one. "So many" is not ludicrous, rude, nor inaccurate.

Justice has nothing to do with ending another persons life. You have that confused with vengence.

There is no justice in executions, taking their life does nothing for the victim, they're dead.

Perhaps, perhaps not, nut at least most here aren't low enough to sink to the level of knocking on somebody picking up a part time job to bring in extra $ while they continue to look for work in their actual field, but apparently you are.

anecdotal ***, and yes it still is ludicrous, rude and inaccurate to assert as such.

not killing somebody that's already neutralized as a threat to society

I'm sorry. I cannot agree with you. Every fiber of my being says otherwise. In questionable cases, I am very much in favor of avoiding the death penalty. But in a case such as this?

They've destroyed a life and potentially negatively impacted in a very serious fashion many others.

What is justice, in this instance, if not vengeance?

To quote a prison movie,

"How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

As long as a person like that is left alive, they will always be a threat.

There is no justice in vengeance, you're reacting, emotionally and not logically or ethically.

I'm not being obtuse at all, but several of the other posters here including you are.

I'm sorry. I cannot agree with you. Every fiber of my being says otherwise. In questionable cases, I am very much in favor of avoiding the death penalty. But in a case such as this?

They've destroyed a life and potentially negatively impacted in a very serious fashion many others.

What is justice, in this instance, if not vengeance?

My slant towards the death sentence for proven serial killers, murderers, torturers, sadists, rapists and other such violent offenders isn't steeped in vengeance or justice but simply that you've broken the contract between your fellow man and thus no longer harbor any potential within society. You're a mad dog to be locked up for the rest of your life and a waste of precious resources that could be used on others who aren't raving maniacs. You exhausted your ability to be rehabilitated the moment you chose to commit an offense against life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Goodbye and no one will miss you, your wretched existence is a blight on life and your decomposing corpse can be better served nourishing trees, microorganisms or anything more useful than you. It's a tragedy that life need be taken but like the slaughter of animals for food, you'll hopefully serve a better purpose elsewhere.

And that was my Shakespeare for the day.

Are we glossing over the fact that she spent a decade in prison before being executed?

I'm fully behind rehab for non-violent offenders but the moment you cross into murder, rape, violent torture or any such offenses against life and we can prove you did that ***? Nope, you're done. That's it. You're license to exist has been revoked.

Sorry, there are too many other people out here who could use those resources to better themselves to waste it on someone who kills in cold blood or makes a habit of killing people for a living.

not to society.

Are we glossing over the fact that she spent a decade in prison before being executed?

ya it wrong to kill in civilized society and it may cost more but i still think we need to look past that and kill her, child mutilation/murder needs a death sentenced she needs to be in the ground and you cant let that kind of murder go or there may be some one who will mimic her and go "i can get way with it o only get only get life".


Any way back to are back to are regular scheduled drone attacks on muslims

ya it wrong to kill in civilized society and it may cost more but i still think we need to look past that and kill her, child mutilation/murder needs a death sentenced she needs to be in the ground and you cant let that kind of murder go or there may be some one who will mimic her and go "i can get way with it o only get only get life".



Any way back to are back to are regular scheduled drone attacks on muslims

So answer my question.

What is justice in this instance, oh wise one?


You need to copy Nausi's avatar. You two argue in the same way when you haven't a leg to stand on.

Then the person filling out their death certificate is either going beyond the scope of their job duty and editorializing the death certificate, or they're selecting a drop down menu on a computer screen and it's the closest thing that fits.

Edit: That or -- doubtful this is the case -- they mean that this person was a murdered and was therefore justifiably executed as such.

We need to bring down the cost of executions then and I already stipulate in cases where we cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that individual commit the crime that life imprisonment should be the default sentence.

execution is murder, ergo unjustifiable.

I'm fully behind rehab for non-violent offenders but the moment you cross into murder, rape, violent torture or any such offenses against life and we can prove you did that ***? Nope, you're done. That's it. You're license to exist has been revoked.

Sorry, there are too many other people out here who could use those resources to better themselves to waste it on someone who kills in cold blood or makes a habit of killing people for a living.