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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:20:19
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Jetackuu said: »
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They're not *** the bank over.

They're *** us over.
Not really, for that to be true the bank would have to be not *** us over regardless.

If we're going to follow this line of thought using this particular analog, joining in and making it a gang rape just because they were already *** us doesn't make it okay.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-16 13:20:54
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Oh come on Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:21:54
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Oh come on Ramyrez

What?

I fail to see where what they're doing is okay. Legally or morally.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 13:23:38
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
They're not *** the bank over.

They're *** us over.
Not really, for that to be true the bank would have to be not *** us over regardless.

If we're going to follow this line of thought using this particular analog, joining in and making it a gang rape just because they were already *** us doesn't make it okay.
I lost you...

The people screwing over the bank aren't *** you. You are saying they aren't *** over the bank because the bank in turn is *** us, which isn't an accurate portrayal because it relies on the premise that the banks aren't already *** over everyone and that they're somehow changing their practices because they're getting one overed, and those are somehow screwing us more.

It's a flawed premise as it's very unsound so I don't agree with your deduction from it.

I'm not saying that people should *** over the banks, as two wrongs don't make a right but I definitely don't care either way.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:27:23
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The people screwing over the bank aren't *** you

Bank loses money.

Bank's owners/shareholders aren't going to absorb that cost.

Money has to come from somewhere.

Transfer any operational cost increase onto the consumer.

It happens in every. last. industry.

Which is why the entire "raise the minimum wage repeatedly" thing is *** stupid too.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 13:29:15
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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The people screwing over the bank aren't *** you

Bank loses money.

Bank's owners/shareholders aren't going to absorb that cost.

Money has to come from somewhere.

Transfer any operational cost increase onto the consumer.

It happens in every. last. industry.

Which is why the entire "raise the minimum wage repeatedly" thing is *** stupid too.
Again: your premise is flawed, and in this case on both accounts.

But I am getting a glimpse of why you feel that way.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:30:37
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Jetackuu said: »
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The people screwing over the bank aren't *** you

Bank loses money.

Bank's owners/shareholders aren't going to absorb that cost.

Money has to come from somewhere.

Transfer any operational cost increase onto the consumer.

It happens in every. last. industry.

Which is why the entire "raise the minimum wage repeatedly" thing is *** stupid too.
Again: your premise is flawed, and in this case on both accounts.

But I am getting a glimpse of why you feel that way.

No, my premise isn't flawed.

You're just operating off of ideals when ideals don't work in this world.

No. It shouldn't work that way.

But that is the actual way things play out.

And before you start trying to tell me anything about ideals and reality, remember who you're talking to and the posts I make. I'm very, very good at desperately wanting ideals to be true.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-16 13:34:43
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There was a very recent case where the bank executives were found accountable for investor and shareholder losses and the ruling was they would, the bank executives, would cough up the money.

We need to remember there are 4 parties:

1. Us, the customers.
2. The Bank Management
3. The investors (savers as well)
4. Shareholders

there is also often at times a 5th party, corporate customers. but forget them, they have powerful lawyers.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-16 13:37:42
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Money changes hands more often than a porn star changes condoms.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that at this point, it's safe to assume all money is "dirty"...

But don't worry, I'm just being glib... I think...
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 13:41:00
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
No, my premise isn't flawed.

You're just operating off of ideals when ideals don't work in this world.

No. It shouldn't work that way.

But that is the actual way things play out.

And before you start trying to tell me anything about ideals and reality, remember who you're talking to and the posts I make. I'm very, very good at desperately wanting ideals to be true.
I'm not working off ideals at all, I'm working on realism, and yes your premise is flawed.

That isn't how it works, you're under the assumption that the banks are trying to maximize profits regardless, that's flawed.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:46:10
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Jetackuu said: »
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No, my premise isn't flawed.

You're just operating off of ideals when ideals don't work in this world.

No. It shouldn't work that way.

But that is the actual way things play out.

And before you start trying to tell me anything about ideals and reality, remember who you're talking to and the posts I make. I'm very, very good at desperately wanting ideals to be true.
I'm not working off ideals at all, I'm working on realism, and yes your premise is flawed.

That isn't how it works, you're under the assumption that the banks are trying to maximize profits regardless, that's flawed.

How so?

Unless they see customer blowback, they're going to maximize profit.

That's basic business.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 13:49:36
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meant to type aren't, my bad.

I really don't like this keyboard...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 13:50:51
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Jetackuu said: »
meant to type aren't, my bad.

I really don't like this keyboard...

Whatever. I guess I don't even care anymore It doesn't matter how I feel about it as there's *** all I can do about it either way.

Edited, because clearly I didn't just magically stop caring.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-16 14:07:17
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-16 14:12:22
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you ppl are like magicians! Every time i check this thread its something completely new. Obama/war - religion - collage/debt - banks. Should do this at a club and charge an entrance fee'
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 14:13:18
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
you ppl are like magicians! Every time i check this thread its something completely new. Obama/war - religion - collage/debt - banks. Should do this at a club and charge an entrance fee'

Why not?

I need to make more money somehow.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-16 14:18:47
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
you ppl are like magicians! Every time i check this thread its something completely new. Obama/war - religion - collage/debt - banks. Should do this at a club and charge an entrance fee'
I love collages!
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-16 15:39:34
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yea... im sure everyone's realized by now... i never gave a damn about spelling :D
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 15:45:13
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Well to be fair a misspelling in this case is the difference between a higher form of learning or a piece of artwork.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 19:04:31
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America's top general would be willing to recommend deploying American ground troops against Islamic extremists in Iraq if he feels it's necessary, he told a Senate panel Tuesday.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs, said that if the President's expanded campaign of air strikes and training of moderate Syrian rebels fails, he would recommend that "our advisers should accompany Iraqi troops on attacks against specific ISIL targets."

"But we're not there" yet, he said.
Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey opens door to deploy troops to Iraq
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By fonewear 2014-09-17 08:57:40
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America's top general would be willing to recommend deploying American ground troops against Islamic extremists in Iraq if he feels it's necessary, he told a Senate panel Tuesday.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs, said that if the President's expanded campaign of air strikes and training of moderate Syrian rebels fails, he would recommend that "our advisers should accompany Iraqi troops on attacks against specific ISIL targets."

"But we're not there" yet, he said.
Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey opens door to deploy troops to Iraq

Obama: No troops on the ground !

But troops on the sand that is okay.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:01:34
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I'm really, really against this "training 'moderate' rebels" thing.

Seriously.

It never goes well for us in the end.
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By fonewear 2014-09-17 09:02:36
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I'm a moderate rebel maybe I'm a terrorist too !

Isn't moderate and rebel a contradiction ?

I'm a terrorist but only in moderation.

I guess that means I'll only suicide bomb places that don't have people in them !
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:29:22
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fonewear said: »
I'm a moderate rebel maybe I'm a terrorist too !

Isn't moderate and rebel a contradiction ?

I'm a terrorist but only in moderation.

I guess that means I'll only suicide bomb places that don't have people in them !

You'll only suicide bomb places with people that are going to die anyhow.

Cancer research institutes, hospices, nursing homes, etc.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-17 09:30:29
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I'm really, really against this "training 'moderate' rebels" thing.

Seriously.

It never goes well for us in the end.

Our other option would be to stay out of this and that isn't really an option with ISIS chomping at the bit to drag our coffers onto the rocks.

Honestly, few in the West want this fight. Even if we rally the EU nations and the Arab league, someone is going to have to shoulder the brunt of the burden and it ain't gonna be the US.

We've enjoyed putting the fight on the locals because it means we don't have to. I mean we could goad the Arab allies into doing this but when you have soldiers of god ready to die, we're willing to bribe them handsomely.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:34:37
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I'm really, really against this "training 'moderate' rebels" thing.

Seriously.

It never goes well for us in the end.

Our other option would be to stay out of this and that isn't really an option with ISIS chomping at the bit to drag our coffers onto the rocks.

Honestly, few in the West want this fight. Even if we rally the EU nations and the Arab league, someone is going to have to shoulder the brunt of the burden and it ain't gonna be the US.

We've enjoyed putting the fight on the locals because it means we don't have to. I mean we could goad the Arab allies into doing this but when you have soldiers of god ready to die, we're willing to bribe them handsomely.

My concious doesn't like weighing the cost of the potential loss of American soliders' lives, but given ISIS has pointedly said they -- at least in theory -- intend to assault America, my gut instinct is we go in and collectively make them bite the curb.

And frankly, I don't see why every other reasonable government in the world doesn't feel the same. They want to be extremists? Give them the extreme response they want.

I don't know. I've been having a very bad few weeks and frankly all adversity to me at this point my brain is screaming for a "kill it with fire" approach.

I think I need a holiday.

Or prescribed sedation.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-17 09:41:12
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The problem with the guns blazing strat is that it will end up becoming just like Iraq - again.

You give them the initial shock 'n awe, blow ***up, wreck the place and then it becomes this asymmetrical slog that drags for years with jihadists pouring in across borders, causing trouble. We know this and ISIS most definitely wants that because it means they get to feed their apocalyptic message.

Even if we rally the entire West, which Obama seems to be waiting on much to the chagrin of the hawks, what's the endgame? Take out Al-Bahgdadi? Sounds alot like our mission to take out Bin Laden and that took ten years.

We ready for another 10 years of billions?
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By fonewear 2014-09-17 09:46:09
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Just send some Canadians over there to annoy them into submission.


Obama war strategy let Hillary deal with my mess !


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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:50:03
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The problem with the guns blazing strat is that it will end up becoming just like Iraq - again.

You give them the initial shock 'n awe, blow ***up, wreck the place and then it becomes this asymmetrical slog that drags for years with jihadists pouring in across borders, causing trouble. We know this and ISIS most definitely wants that because it means they get to feed their apocalyptic message.

Even if we rally the entire West, which Obama seems to be waiting on much to the chagrin of the hawks, what's the endgame? Take out Al-Bahgdadi? Sounds alot like our mission to take out Bin Laden and that took ten years.

We ready for another 10 years of billions?

Yeah. I don't know.

Like I said, I'm not of the clearest mind these days.

Just tired of people treating other people so terribly to the point where I'm just like..."*** it. Just eradicate the problem. They're basically human cockroaches anyhow."

The problem is, that cockroach analogy is quite accurate, and even if you kill all the obvious terrorists and militants there's still so many of them hiding out waiting to cause problems later.

Because apparently because being scummy to each other is just endemic to the human condition.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-17 09:52:05
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ISIS' endgame isn't even to attack America moreso restore the Islamic caliphate to its peak during the great caliphates from Spain in the West to Iran in the East.

The whole side bit about attacking America is designed to scare us and goad us into fighting. It's why Iran is all in for eradicating these morons as is Saudi Arabia and every country that resides in territories the great caliphates controlled. The Saudi king is as afraid of losing his territory as the next ruler especially when he's sitting on Mecca and Medina.

In a way it's genius because most of the countries under that sphere are ripe for conquest given the relative instability and any such caliphate would be so powerful considering the modern resources they'd control.

I can see the logic in how some of these jihadists could believe they could restore the Rashidun/Umayyad-era caliphate. Emphasis on that 'see' part.
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