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By Jetackuu 2014-09-01 21:07:22
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eslim said: »
if you figure 50,000 (prob much more) subscribers are paying for ffxi then that would mean they're making $650,000 per month that does not include all the extra money they're making from the title. overhead cost is electricity and a project slide to a programmer who already works for square enix.
Your math needs some serious work.

$12.95
x 50,000

647,500
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 22:59:11
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Jetackuu said: »
eslim said: »
if you figure 50,000 (prob much more) subscribers are paying for ffxi then that would mean they're making $650,000 per month that does not include all the extra money they're making from the title. overhead cost is electricity and a project slide to a programmer who already works for square enix.
Your math needs some serious work.

$12.95
x 50,000

647,500

Actually Jet

most players play with a second account, so you could be considering extra costs. They're making far more than just 12.95 off of an average player. If anything it'd be roughly 15.95-16.95, and then there's the oddballs who have multiple accounts (Such as myself) with multiple mules to have storage, so I myself am putting in about...

$55.90 a month if I were still playing.

Now average that out (Assuming the tri or even quad boxers could make up.

$55.90
x 50,000
________

$2,795,000 (This is a medium range, since I'm only using myself as a dual boxer as the average ground right now.)

But it's well accepted that every player AT LEAST is subscribed at around the price 15.95.

15.95
x 50,000
_______

$797,000
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 23:01:28
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Sorry for the double post, but I also just thought about an RMT player with a ton of alts, so I think that would also add into the equation.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-01 23:03:25
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People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-01 23:04:06
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I know that most have more than one player on an account, but I was going with the bare minimum for the sake of arguing conjecture.

I mean hell, I have 4 active characters on my main account, and 3 accounts.
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 23:04:30
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-01 23:05:31
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

I see the same complaints on every server, even the ones with high population. I think people should go back to relying more on the search features instead of relying on yell groups, for obvious reasons. But there's issues with that too, unless SE implements some other system, or makes yells server wide, I don't see it getting better.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-01 23:07:55
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Mainly because they refuse to play support jobs. I know years ago I had trouble getting people to go bard for ISNM3000, didn't mean I thought the game was dead. It's always an issue in every MMO, maybe its more overt here because the population is lower than most. Just level a support job or get a mule with one and find yourself open to all the content.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-01 23:09:35
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Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.

Live in la la land? The hell are you talking about? You are just bitter and unsubbed your accounts. I bet you will be back soon when more content comes out. If I'm bored I don't go crying that the game is dying, I find something else to occupy my time until the game is fun again.
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 23:12:55
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Mainly because they refuse to play support jobs. I know years ago I had trouble getting people to go bard for ISNM3000, didn't mean I thought the game was dead. It's always an issue in every MMO, maybe its more overt here because the population is lower than most. Just level a support job or get a mule with one and find yourself open to all the content.

Here's the main problem though. I had certain play styles, things like BRD did not fit me as a person. I do not sit there with a harp, I do not sit with a horn. I do not like to larp, but I do look at porn. I would be a Bard, but with my life and schedule it would be too hard. If you want to complain, I say "This is my decision, and I shall not wane!" I like to take my time and do as I please, as it offers great challenge for me to do at ease.
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 23:13:40
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.

Live in la la land? The hell are you talking about? You are just bitter and unsubbed your accounts. I bet you will be back soon when more content comes out. If I'm bored I don't go crying that the game is dying, I find something else to occupy my time until the game is fun again.

Wrong answer, I've moved onto another game, my time on FFXI's up, school is hectic, I got health issues, and I just gotta get on with my life or it'll slap by me.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-01 23:16:50
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Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.

Live in la la land? The hell are you talking about? You are just bitter and unsubbed your accounts. I bet you will be back soon when more content comes out. If I'm bored I don't go crying that the game is dying, I find something else to occupy my time until the game is fun again.

Wrong answer, I've moved onto another game, my time on FFXI's up, school is hectic, I got health issues, and I just gotta get on with my life or it'll slap by me.

Yeah your life is so hectic you moved onto another game, sound reasoning there. Most people with hectic lives don't even play video games?

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Here's the main problem though. I had certain play styles, things like BRD did not fit me as a person. I do not sit there with a harp, I do not sit with a horn. I do not like to larp, but I do look at porn. I would be a Bard, but with my life and schedule it would be too hard. If you want to complain, I say "This is my decision, and I shall not wane!" I like to take my time and do as I please, as it offers great challenge for me to do at ease.

No MMO can function if everyone wants to play DD meathead jobs, someone has to be the support. This game has a lower population than most, so its even worse in that aspect.
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-01 23:20:44
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.

Live in la la land? The hell are you talking about? You are just bitter and unsubbed your accounts. I bet you will be back soon when more content comes out. If I'm bored I don't go crying that the game is dying, I find something else to occupy my time until the game is fun again.

Wrong answer, I've moved onto another game, my time on FFXI's up, school is hectic, I got health issues, and I just gotta get on with my life or it'll slap by me.

Yeah your life is so hectic you moved onto another game, sound reasoning there. Most people with hectic lives don't even play video games?

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Here's the main problem though. I had certain play styles, things like BRD did not fit me as a person. I do not sit there with a harp, I do not sit with a horn. I do not like to larp, but I do look at porn. I would be a Bard, but with my life and schedule it would be too hard. If you want to complain, I say "This is my decision, and I shall not wane!" I like to take my time and do as I please, as it offers great challenge for me to do at ease.

No MMO can function if everyone wants to play DD meathead jobs, someone has to be the support. This game has a lower population than most, so its even worse in that aspect. Too bad if you don't like playing support, it sounds like you aren't a team player at all.

I frankly don't care if an MMO can or not, that's their problem and not mine. I have a hectic life, for a time sink like FFXI it won't do anymore. I have to move onto something else, and FFXI's slow progression speed (For myself, as I've tried my best to take things slow, which never ended well.) isn't what I need now. I need to be able to play for a little bit and get something done, and FFXI is slow and gradual. If I take a long vacation from it, I'm SOL and won't be taken seriously as a player. It's time to cut my losses and play a casual game (Yes I'm saying that)
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-01 23:23:41
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I really disagree there though. I have had friends come back and they got up to current cap so fast they just quit again lol. It is SO easy to catch up now that maybe its a little too easy. It isn't hard to play casual either since everything is able to be 3~6 manned or soloed (check around youtube, ton of solo videos of Normal mode BC's like Gessho etc.) This game is no longer slow, its more instant gratification based due to all the whining. Anyways, its natural to take breaks is all.
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By Leviathan.Alvar 2014-09-02 01:09:49
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You guys need hugs *hugs*
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By Odin.Minefield 2014-09-02 01:52:55
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Leviathan.Alvar said: »
You guys need hugs *hugs*
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-02 02:17:21
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Something funny I observed at the time I played in a JP LS a while ago, a some of the JP people playing the game were "housewives". If you know that demographic well you know they are likely to "stick" to a technology device during the whole time it's usable/viable.

Also that's the reason why Japan had so many of these "easy Internet" devices and even the Dreamcast game console pioneered in that field with it's Dream Passport web browser along with SEGA's ISAO internet provider/service (which still exists FYI).

So while the "Japanese can't buy PCs" argument is a burst, if it was said "some Japanese don't want to buy PCs" it would have some truth on it. Thanks for the funny read anyway. lol
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-02 02:19:02
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I nor nobody else ever stated that Japanese cannot buy PC's.
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By Bahamut.Protectorchrono 2014-09-02 03:29:12
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Gonna throw this out there since the op topic hasn't been discussed for a couple pages lol but if the servers were to merge, which one would you like your server to merge with? :P
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-02 03:56:41
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Phoenix.Michiiru said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
People just need to stop being so emo. The game has slow times where its boring and times where its fun. Just accept it and stop making the community so "toxic" with your rants. The last year or so we've seen so many goodbye posts, where the people come back, then later we see tons of "returning player" posts. Why do you all focus on the negative 24/7?

Because some people are realists and don't like to live in la la land Draylo.


On a serious note, I'd advise you not to debate this with him. It's endless, really.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2014-09-02 04:23:54
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Uh, who are you again?
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-02 04:31:17
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Jetackuu said: »
I nor nobody else ever stated that Japanese cannot buy PC's.

Don't make me quote you again :p


On a serious note, update looks cool; I hope it will be as fun as the new skirmish but with good and usefull reward instead; isn't it the first time in forever that we get 2 event in one update ?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-02 04:41:29
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Some people have no idea what casual actually means.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-02 04:42:23
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You can quote me all you like, it's not my fault that you inability to read keeps drawing you to that conclusion of an absolute of which I did not make.
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By Brolli 2014-09-02 08:07:19
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Game needs a merge, no reason a few hundred people on a server should constitute things being 'fine'.
How so? Makes NM camping and dynamis farming less crowded (hell I haven't done it much this week because it's been overcrowded as hell.)

As for newer content: I still say it's the way people are going about making groups for it, and the sheer apathy of some players. Then there's people like me, who haven't touched the new content and haven't even wanted to until more recently when I had a reason to, well that and I've been playing BST so long (then smn before it) I'd forgotten a lot of party dynamics, whipped my whm out of retirement and am trying to get the hang of it again.

It also makes progressing at anything nearly impossible which further drives people away from the game. No one cares if Dynamis or Salvage is empty because the game is dead, the needs of the overall game should trump the convenience of being able to have a camp to yourself.

When every shout ends because you cant get a PLD or WHM that's a problem that can be solved with more people playing. Shout columns on some servers are totally dead barring the usual RME banter. I know the dualboxers are living in their own world but with all the conveniences of modern XI you still need people. Sub 400 on a server is unacceptable.

Thats bad for the game, time to roll the small servers together.
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2014-09-02 08:23:04
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Brolli said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Game needs a merge, no reason a few hundred people on a server should constitute things being 'fine'.
How so? Makes NM camping and dynamis farming less crowded (hell I haven't done it much this week because it's been overcrowded as hell.)

As for newer content: I still say it's the way people are going about making groups for it, and the sheer apathy of some players. Then there's people like me, who haven't touched the new content and haven't even wanted to until more recently when I had a reason to, well that and I've been playing BST so long (then smn before it) I'd forgotten a lot of party dynamics, whipped my whm out of retirement and am trying to get the hang of it again.

It also makes progressing at anything nearly impossible which further drives people away from the game. No one cares if Dynamis or Salvage is empty because the game is dead, the needs of the overall game should trump the convenience of being able to have a camp to yourself.

When every shout ends because you cant get a PLD or WHM that's a problem that can be solved with more people playing. Shout columns on some servers are totally dead barring the usual RME banter. I know the dualboxers are living in their own world but with all the conveniences of modern XI you still need people. Sub 400 on a server is unacceptable.

Thats bad for the game, time to roll the small servers together.


I agree with you on PLD, WHM or SCH. May as well add mnk, sam rng to the list or brd cor. Problem is when these jobs go through the event and get the gear they want, the other 15 jobs don't. And it is not an option to tell a player to lvl those other jobs to get gear for the job they want to play, but won't ever be able to take to most group events.

I understand a few jobs may not excel at some events, but to not excel at most events is lame. DM is a perfect example. Lets take 18 people, a PLD, cor, brd and 10x rngs. Really, how does that make the game enjoyable? SE can adjust the problems all they want with jobs but they don't deal with the elephant in the room.

Run can't tank.
DD's cant be enmity free like rngs.
Few jobs can SC dish out dmg like a sam, Even if they can parties will turn a blind eye.

Cor and geo have not been taken to the same lvl as a BRD. Hence no third roll or geo buff. This alone would open up two jobs. We don't ask for four, but three is necessary to open up the playing field.

SE needs to let players enjoy the game and allow most jobs to attend most events.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2014-09-02 08:33:32
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
I really disagree there though. I have had friends come back and they got up to current cap so fast they just quit again lol. It is SO easy to catch up now that maybe its a little too easy. It isn't hard to play casual either since everything is able to be 3~6 manned or soloed (check around youtube, ton of solo videos of Normal mode BC's like Gessho etc.) This game is no longer slow, its more instant gratification based due to all the whining. Anyways, its natural to take breaks is all.

Yeah we just had a dormant player return that plays blu alot and he's already running around with alot of up to date gear and can pull their weight in a high speed Woh meripo/cp party.

Returning players tend to need REM chapters and its way easier to spam clear bc's on Normal/D for them in 5-10min while including the slightly undergeared player in the fight and having them participate without it being a liability, and the 'rare' items droprate isn't that bad.

If people insist on only doing pickups with a ochainaegis PLD and a perfect setup, they're going to be miserable and waiting around a long time.

Even the most casual of returning casuals returning can just catch up on RoE ,use sparks on CH 1-10 REM tales, do a bit of salvage/voidwatch/dynamis to fund the cost of reforge mats, and be running around in 119 +1 reforged if they wanted to expend some sort of effort.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-09-02 08:48:05
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setup crying is pathetic, even on vd most of the content doesn't require a full 6(and the only alliance content left can be done with half an alliance or less), much less an exact setup

you can say all you want about it being hard to find groups(it is hard, if you only play DD it's that much harder), but that's a reflection on your ability to network and the current population not the current content

current endgame is balanced perfectly well, but when you have so few active players and so many unwilling to job change, unwilling to try new strategies, etc.. you end up with the current situation

the amount of people might theoretically be enough for a healthy game(and even that's stretching), but once you take out the people unwilling to try new setups, the people who have a steady group, the people who hate each other, and the people who only want to play their generic DD.. you don't have much to work with

draylo can defend it until he turns blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is that in a random 24h sample of leviathan shouts you'll see PUGs for 1-2 delves and 0-2 non-AA BCs.. staying online all week to get a group together for the fight you want isn't practical

if you have a steady group and don't burn out trying to get everything instantly, the game is very nicely paced atm, but the steady group part is always going to be a sticking point because you can't just throw the leftovers into a group and have them thrive.. you need a certain amount of competent players, you need certain jobs, the playerbase has just shrunk to the point that many people are essentially locked out of current tier endgame with no indication it'll change

server merges would help drastically with this issue, they just need to address the system problems that it'd bring for it to be a viable option
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2014-09-02 09:55:09
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Personally I love the random set up in events not just the standard everyday ish.
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By Fenrir.Presidentobama 2014-09-02 10:09:08
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I just realized this post was posted under server Fenrir and not general chat. The OP is on a server that literally hates everyone who returns to the game. It was because of this server that I took up pity for the returning players.

I muled a charater over to pick up supplies less then a year ago, maybe six months ago and I still keep a mule on that server. This server had returning players. Many would hour Returning to game, looking for linkshell or some sort. They would do this for hours or even days. This server would not pick up or involve these people. Hence why this is the trashiest and junkyard server of all FFXI!

Because of how they treated all these people when I did go back to Rag I helped and got all involved who shouted reurning to game. And hence we are healthy and don't want Fernir trash. Their EU/USA community is worse then the Japanese. The Japanese were actually helpful on this server.

Fenrir has elites, and hence is why they had the +2 items to upgrade delve gear for 700k vs 1-2m back in the day. But they couldn't involve their community. Hence people leave. But hey I made 100m off their items after moving so I am happy. This server should disovlve r merge with ffxiv.

Contrast this to Asura server. They promote many guildes for returning players. Hence they have a community with players that thrives. Again you built the crapy community and now complain because nobody wants to be on your server and your alone. Look in the mirror your attitudes created it.
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