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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 15:29:17
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:30:22
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it. So, only people who are allowed to use the benefit of the doubt defense are those who are not police?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 15:43:30
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it. So, only people who are allowed to use the benefit of the doubt defense are those who are not police? Does the victim get that same benefit of the doubt?
but no that's not what anyone is saying either.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:47:18
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it. So, only people who are allowed to use the benefit of the doubt defense are those who are not police? Does the victim get that same benefit of the doubt?
but no that's not what anyone is saying either. They do, but you JUST said that cops should not "hide behind the badge and rely on the 'he said she said' bit of it."
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-21 15:57:53
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it.So, only people who are allowed to use the benefit of the doubt defense are those who are not police? Does the victim get that same benefit of the doubt?
but no that's not what anyone is saying either. They do, but you JUST said that cops should not "hide behind the badge and rely on the 'he said she said' bit of it." No, he said that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it.
The point being, police are placed in positions of power and trust. They shouldn't do questionable things, actions which call into account their integrity, because the actions of one reflect on all. But doing questionable things isn't making mistakes, either.
Quit moving the goalposts.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 16:00:05
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it? I don't think that there are many people anywhere in the US that do that. That was not your original question nor the intent of the replies to respond to you.
The point is that cops do many questionable things then hide behind the badge and rely on the he said she said bit of it. So, only people who are allowed to use the benefit of the doubt defense are those who are not police? Does the victim get that same benefit of the doubt?
but no that's not what anyone is saying either. They do, but you JUST said that cops should not "hide behind the badge and rely on the 'he said she said' bit of it." Hiding behind the blue line and blurring facts to benefit their own viewpoint is not them getting the "Benefit of the doubt".
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2014-08-22 08:24:14
Anyone else notice the protesting in Ferguson is dying down quite a bit after the condition of the cop came out? "Swelling on the side of his face" turned out to be a broken eye socket and they have "solid" evidence that Brown had his hands on the cops gun; which I assume are fingerprints. The protesting of what the African-American racists have been calling a civil rights violation and murder-by-cop kind of loses its luster when the facts show that the cop did shoot in self-defense I guess.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 08:41:15
Anyone else notice the protesting in Ferguson is dying down quite a bit after the condition of the cop came out? "Swelling on the side of his face" turned out to be a broken eye socket and they have "solid" evidence that Brown had his hands on the cops gun; which I assume are fingerprints. The protesting of what the African-American racists have been calling a civil rights violation and murder-by-cop kind of loses its luster when the facts show that the cop did shoot in self-defense I guess. Oh, you will have your die-hard conspiracy racists theorists who will say that the police covered this up or some other *** reason.
But yeah, when the "saint" turned out to be the aggressor, people generally shut up.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-22 09:21:20
Anyone else notice the protesting in Ferguson is dying down quite a bit after the condition of the cop came out? "Swelling on the side of his face" turned out to be a broken eye socket and they have "solid" evidence that Brown had his hands on the cops gun; which I assume are fingerprints. The protesting of what the African-American racists have been calling a civil rights violation and murder-by-cop kind of loses its luster when the facts show that the cop did shoot in self-defense I guess. CNN Says Rumor That Michael Brown Fractured Darren Wilson's Eye Socket is False - Politico
Quote: The Washington Post reported earlier today that a friend of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson says Wilson's eye socket was broken during his confrontation with Michael Brown:
"The signs of easing tensions came as a family friend of the officer who fatally shot Brown came forward to allege new details of the incident, saying that the officer suffered a fracture to his eye socket in a scuffle with the unarmed teenager before opening fire.
Hospital X-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting"
That claim appears to have been undermined. For one, the Post is now reporting that prosecutors have not seen any of Wilson's medical records:
"[Spokesperson Ed] Magee said that prosecutors have not received any medical records relating to Wilson so far. But he said that since Wilson was taken to the hospital, they assume there are medical records and they just haven’t received them yet."
And CNN producer Julian Cummings, who last week correctly reported that the release of Wilson's name was imminent, reports that the claim Wilson had a broken eye bone is flat-out incorrect:
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 09:25:26
Of course.
Mainstream Media has to protect it's interests (and revenue) from harm by not reporting the truth.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-22 09:26:54
Capitalism bro.
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2014-08-22 09:41:47
So, I get the conclusion that dude hit the cop while he was in his cop car (resulting in a broken eye socket or just swelling of the face), then dude tried to grab the cops gun which is probably when it went off in the cop car and that scared dude off a bit, enough to enable the cop to get out of his cop car to attempt to arrest him but dude came at the cop again and the cop had a legit fear of his life by then and shot.
This is just a hypothetical opinion though of course.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 09:46:24
Bottom line is that one way or another, the story has made it quite clear that racism is still an ongoing problem. And it's running both ways.
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2014-08-22 09:54:27
Bottom line is that one way or another, the story has made it quite clear that racism is still an ongoing problem. And it's running both ways.
Indeed, is in no way a one-sided issue.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-22 10:02:24
One thing is for sure, there is a lot of suspense and new development around this eye socket that appeared in the debate after day 1.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-22 10:02:42
Has it been stated whether or not Michael Brown had any drugs or alcohol in his system?
*edit* Nevermind, I found it myself. MJ was found in his system during the initial autopsy.
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By Heimdel 2014-08-22 11:21:05
So, I get the conclusion that dude hit the cop while he was in his cop car (resulting in a broken eye socket or just swelling of the face), then dude tried to grab the cops gun which is probably when it went off in the cop car and that scared dude off a bit, enough to enable the cop to get out of his cop car to attempt to arrest him but dude came at the cop again and the cop had a legit fear of his life by then and shot.
This is just a hypothetical opinion though of course.
Basically it comes down to people expect a cop to let them self be killed instead of defending them self. There was a cop around here who went to stop a suspect in a car break in the guy ran and the cop chased him. After catching the guy then guy stabs the cop. The cop held onto him till help got there but ended up dying. If he had used his gun instead his family wouldn't be left without a father and husband now.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 11:27:10
Has it been stated whether or not Michael Brown had any drugs or alcohol in his system?
*edit* Nevermind, I found it myself. MJ was found in his system during the initial autopsy.
But marijuana stays in your system for up to a month, iirc. So it doesn't really establish whether he was high at the time.
Also, anecdotally, the vast majority of people get less aggressive when they're stoned.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 11:29:34
So, I get the conclusion that dude hit the cop while he was in his cop car (resulting in a broken eye socket or just swelling of the face), then dude tried to grab the cops gun which is probably when it went off in the cop car and that scared dude off a bit, enough to enable the cop to get out of his cop car to attempt to arrest him but dude came at the cop again and the cop had a legit fear of his life by then and shot.
This is just a hypothetical opinion though of course.
Basically it comes down to people expect a cop to let them self be killed instead of defending them self. There was a cop around here who went to stop a suspect in a car break in the guy ran and the cop chased him. After catching the guy then guy stabs the cop. The cop held onto him till help got there but ended up dying. If he had used his gun instead his family wouldn't be left without a father and husband now.
Sooo...."shoot first, ask questions later?"
Your point is taken, even without the emotional language, but just shooting every criminal of every stripe on sight really isn't the solution.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-22 11:44:10
So, I get the conclusion that dude hit the cop while he was in his cop car (resulting in a broken eye socket or just swelling of the face), then dude tried to grab the cops gun which is probably when it went off in the cop car and that scared dude off a bit, enough to enable the cop to get out of his cop car to attempt to arrest him but dude came at the cop again and the cop had a legit fear of his life by then and shot.
This is just a hypothetical opinion though of course.
Basically it comes down to people expect a cop to let them self be killed instead of defending them self. There was a cop around here who went to stop a suspect in a car break in the guy ran and the cop chased him. After catching the guy then guy stabs the cop. The cop held onto him till help got there but ended up dying. If he had used his gun instead his family wouldn't be left without a father and husband now. I personally believe people are moving towards the "Shoot to disable" mindset. But, unfortunately we all know that if the cops shoot to disarm or disable they will get sued for the damages that person received and the inevitable "They ruined muh lyfe" debate circle jerk will go on for thousands and thousands of years.
In this specific case we honestly dont have enough reasonable doubt for one claim or the other. Truthfully, this is why the media should be forbidden by law to discuss cases that are under investigation, but first amendment rights and blah. Because if the media is allowed to grab hold with incomplete information and run with it theres no way we can actually follow up through the legal process to get to the bottom of this the way its meant to.
This, and the fact that now people are so opinionated on the subject that anything that pops up in the news is a racist cop killing a black kid for no reason (See the Powell incident) and you cant tell them any different. Its just ridiculous at this point and the copycat stories are a joke that no one seems to evaluate before they weigh in on them.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 11:52:43
Quote: Truthfully, this is why the media should be forbidden by law to discuss cases that are under investigation, but first amendment rights and blah.
There's a small authoritarian in me that agrees with you, but the rest of me generally doesn't like "First Amendment rights and blah."
The ability of a government to hold trials and convictions with repressed information is...just terrifying.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-22 11:55:30
Sooo...."shoot first, ask questions later?"
I think 'tase first, ask questions later' would be fair. then at least they only kill old guys with pacemakers.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-22 12:00:15
Of course.
Mainstream Media has to protect it's interests (and revenue) from harm by not reporting the truth. How do you know what the truth is? Have you seen these medical reports?
Granted I'm not saying it isn't but you're talking in absolutes here and you don't actually know.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-22 12:10:22
Quote: Truthfully, this is why the media should be forbidden by law to discuss cases that are under investigation, but first amendment rights and blah.
There's a small authoritarian in me that agrees with you, but the rest of me generally doesn't like "First Amendment rights and blah."
The ability of a government to hold trials and convictions with repressed information is...just terrifying. Most of the news affiliates use their Freedom of The Press for insidious things and this is one of our main problems as a country because our citizens abuse their rights and use them as some trump card against personal responsibility/reliability. (But i agree i could've phrased that better)
Im not for suppression of information, but at least let a trial go through before we start calling people murderers, rapists, and pedophiles without knowing all the information with the current scope of events (most of the time, with the events still going on).
I think i liked the news before they got rid of that legislation that had to have dissenting views on your panels and mandated that you had to have valid sources outside of your colleagues to report something. Those were the good ole days where if Jimmy fell down a well we didnt blame careless Jimmy who doesnt have the wherewithal to watch where he's going or the evil Well that planned to be in that exact position for Jimmy to fall into cause it secretly has a bias against people named Jimmy.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-22 12:18:41
Quote: Truthfully, this is why the media should be forbidden by law to discuss cases that are under investigation, but first amendment rights and blah.
There's a small authoritarian in me that agrees with you, but the rest of me generally doesn't like "First Amendment rights and blah."
The ability of a government to hold trials and convictions with repressed information is...just terrifying.
The stigma of a simple accusation has painted publicity in a strange way. In the light of previous judicial systems, the right to see the evidence against you, confront your accuser, and have a public trial is an incredible boon. People seem to forget that you have the RIGHT to those things. The media is simply pushing what sells, the bigger issue is that news is commercialized.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-08-22 12:19:08
I mostly kept out of this one cause not enough info is out yet and too many people jumping to conclusions. That being said, the reason the police are going under increasing amounts of scrutiny is the sheer volume of bullsh!t they have been doing for as long as there have been police. This is compounded by the "thin blue line" / "brothers in blue" mentality where they will all cover each other, even if one of them abused their power. A police officer can commit murder, have a video of it, and they will say "it's justified", even when that video hits the internet. Did anyone every wonder why when one cop shoots they all start shooting even if there is just one suspect? It's so that nobody can identify exactly which cop pulled the trigger and thus no murder charges can be pressed if the shooting was in error. It also creates an incentive for all the attending officers to agree to a single story and protect each others ***'s on the off chance that the shooting wasn't justified.
That is the reason we're getting such a large backlash, people are tired of the good police officers covering for the bad ones. The racism angle only enters because there are more poor black folks in city's then poor white folks and poor people commit more violent / petty crime then middle class / rich folk.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 12:22:31
Sooo...."shoot first, ask questions later?"
I think 'tase first, ask questions later' would be fair. then at least they only kill old guys with pacemakers.
Ehh. I'd be okay with this.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-22 12:24:33
Sooo...."shoot first, ask questions later?"
I think 'tase first, ask questions later' would be fair. then at least they only kill old guys with pacemakers.
Ehh. I'd be okay with this. The Mounties did that in Canada once. Killed a distraught polish man frantically looking for his non-English speaking mother.
Pretty sure it's happened a few times as well, before and since then.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-22 12:24:50
I mostly kept out of this one cause not enough info is out yet and too many people jumping to conclusions. That being said, the reason the police are going under increasing amounts of scrutiny is the sheer volume of bullsh!t they have been doing for as long as there have been police. This is compounded by the "thin blue line" / "brothers in blue" mentality where they will all cover each other, even if one of them abused their power. A police officer can commit murder, have a video of it, and they will say "it's justified", even when that video hits the internet. Did anyone every wonder why when one cop shoots they all start shooting even if there is just one suspect? It's so that nobody can identify exactly which cop pulled the trigger and thus no murder charges can be pressed if the shooting was in error. It also creates an incentive for all the attending officers to agree to a single story and protect each others ***'s on the off chance that the shooting wasn't justified.
That is the reason we're getting such a large backlash, people are tired of the good police officers covering for the bad ones. The racism angle only enters because there are more poor black folks in city's then poor white folks and poor people commit more violent / petty crime then middle class / rich folk.
While I agree with you, I don't think there is evidence that poor people commit violent or petty crimes at a higher rate than the middle class, just that it's more publicized and more prosecuted. I know far more middle class people that purchase and use pot, but very few of them are ever targeted for extra scrutiny during a routine traffic stop. The difference in the view of race in terms of crime is evident in the rates of prosecution, middle class whites and poor blacks use common drugs at about the same rates, but poor blacks are as much as 20 times more likely to be prosecuted as a result. You could chalk that up to the middle class whites being better at concealing it, but a large portion has to do with law enforcement's focus.
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To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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