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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 07:50:26
But the media is a closed-nit community. There isn't much variation between reporters and news broadcasters, and the treatment is nearly the same overall.
This is a big part of the reason that, despite my degree in journalism, I never wanted to be a reporter. It's not even entirely their fault, though. The public has a right to know certain things, but frequently officials -- both civil servants and private industries with a public face -- make it very difficult to get ahold of that information. Sometimes not even maliciously; they simply don't want to deal with yet another person asking them questions.
But basically, to be a good reporter you've got to be willing to be an annoying, nosy jerk sometimes. There's no getting around it. Because the bottom line is that the people do have a right to know.
It just wasn't a facet of the field that ever called to me. The limited reporting I have done always made me quite uncomfortable. It's not within my personality type.
As far as the police go, I think most reasonable-sized departments (and all state police, as far as I know) have officers specifically designated to deal with the press, and in some cases contact the press before the press can contact them.
I've dealt with the Pennsylvania State Police trooper who does that in our area. He's a really good guy and does everything he can to ensure a good flow of information.
But yeah. In my experience (I know, I know, anecdotal evidence waagh!) most of the people who allege police "harassment" are just bitching that they got caught comitting a moving violation or other minor crime.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-21 08:06:47
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 08:19:52
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand. You found one of those 2.68185646% posts that Fone is serious.
The comparison was already made, he just (finally) posted the obvious.
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By wormfeeder 2014-08-21 08:29:43
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand. sorry, but you are far more likely to be killed by s cop in this country than by a terrorist.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 08:31:56
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand. sorry, but you are far more likely to be killed by s cop in this country than by a terrorist. I don't think you see the issue....
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By wormfeeder 2014-08-21 08:51:15
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand. sorry, but you are far more likely to be killed by s cop in this country than by a terrorist. I don't think you see the issue.... oh I see the issue. white cop kills a black man grabs more media ratings than a us reporter getting beheaded.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 08:54:12
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
You finally made the comparison. I think you start to understand. sorry, but you are far more likely to be killed by s cop in this country than by a terrorist. I don't think you see the issue.... oh I see the issue. white cop kills a black man grabs more media ratings than a us reporter getting beheaded. Then how does that equate to:
sorry, but you are far more likely to be killed by s a cop in this country than by a terrorist.
I don't think anyone could piece either responses together.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-21 09:09:43
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. That is why there is a debate for this and not for the previous.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 09:14:10
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. What we can't agree is that the kid wasn't acting in a manner that wasn't threatening the police officer.
Was the kid unarmed when he was shot? Evidence states yes.
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
Was the kid breaking the law when the officer confronted him? Yes.
Did the kid rob a store prior to being confronted? Evidence states yes.
Makes you wonder if the kid really did have his hands up when the officer shot him, like his friend said. His friend, who also committed a crime during and prior to the confrontation.
By fonewear 2014-08-21 09:15:39
Hands up don't judge me bro !
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By wormfeeder 2014-08-21 09:38:09
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. That is why there is a debate for this and not for the previous. anyone with half a brain can see that shooting an unarmed person is bad. unless said person is breaking into your house and threatening you and you loved ones with threats of violence or death. I will call the cops after he has been render inert.
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By Asura.Melbufrauma 2014-08-21 09:42:12
Not sure if this was posted or not but police released the video, i'd say the officer was totally justified in shooting him as you can clearly hear and see the police say "drop the knife!" as he was walking closer and closer to them with hands in his pocket. I would of shot him too if in that scenario. Link
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-21 09:47:44
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. That is why there is a debate for this and not for the previous. anyone with half a brain can see that shooting an unarmed person is bad. unless said person is breaking into your house and threatening you and you loved ones with threats of violence or death. I will call the cops after he has been render inert.
If he breaks into your house, it is called self-defence no?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 09:48:42
Asura.Melbufrauma said: »Not sure if this was posted or not but police released the video, i'd say the officer was totally justified in shooting him as you can clearly hear and see the police say "drop the knife!" as he was walking closer and closer to them with hands in his pocket. I would of shot him too if in that scenario. LinkUm.
Not the same shooting. Different guy and this happened yesterday, day before? No dates in that statement but it says
Quote: There were no arrests or reports of injuries.The national spotlight is on Dotson's handling of Tuesday's shooting, which comes within two weeks of the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old shot and killed by Ferguson Patrolman Darren Wilson.
**The link contains a description of the events, no need to watch the video
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 09:52:58
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. What we can't agree is that the kid wasn't acting in a manner that wasn't threatening the police officer.
Was the kid unarmed when he was shot? Evidence states yes.
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
Was the kid breaking the law when the officer confronted him? Yes.
Did the kid rob a store prior to being confronted? Evidence states yes.
Makes you wonder if the kid really did have his hands up when the officer shot him, like his friend said. His friend, who also committed a crime during and prior to the confrontation.
I don't know why you want to paint this kid as a criminal so badly. petty theft isn't a capital offense, & whether he was guilty of petty theft really has absolutely nothing to do with him being gunned downed in the street.
the bolded is all that really matters in this instance. smoking a joint & stealing a few 40's or cigarettes or w/e they stole falls entirely under "boys will be boys" as far as I'm concerned.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-21 09:59:38
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-21 10:00:29
Asura.Melbufrauma said: »Not sure if this was posted or not but police released the video, i'd say the officer was totally justified in shooting him as you can clearly hear and see the police say "drop the knife!" as he was walking closer and closer to them with hands in his pocket. I would of shot him too if in that scenario. Link
Are you sure these cops are well trained?
If they are not I understand better why they systematically resort to shoot people.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 10:00:48
/stalloneslurs
IAMTHELAW!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 10:04:16
/stalloneslurs
IAMTHELAW!
I actually enjoy that movie for it's camp element. It's sort of great in it's level of terrible. And the amount of good actors in that movie makes me think the whole thing is one big in-joke.
But it's really too bad that it was a JD movie, because it completely and utterly misses the point of the comic. -.-;
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:20:11
I think we all share the same feelings in front of a reporter being beheaded by terrorists while we can't agree that shooting an unarmed kid 6 times is bad. What we can't agree is that the kid wasn't acting in a manner that wasn't threatening the police officer.
Was the kid unarmed when he was shot? Evidence states yes.
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
Was the kid breaking the law when the officer confronted him? Yes.
Did the kid rob a store prior to being confronted? Evidence states yes.
Makes you wonder if the kid really did have his hands up when the officer shot him, like his friend said. His friend, who also committed a crime during and prior to the confrontation.
I don't know why you want to paint this kid as a criminal so badly. petty theft isn't a capital offense, & whether he was guilty of petty theft really has absolutely nothing to do with him being gunned downed in the street.
the bolded is all that really matters in this instance. smoking a joint & stealing a few 40's or cigarettes or w/e they stole falls entirely under "boys will be boys" as far as I'm concerned. If the kid is a law abiding citizen, as many claim him to be, then one would have reasonable confirmation that the kid, as some reports claimed otherwise, did not reach for the officer's gun.
I'm not the one painting the kid to be a criminal, I'm just reporting events that would lead to the real question, as you bolded.
"Boys will be boys" can also include reckless endangerment of life, and reaching for the gun, intention to kill the officer or not, is probable cause for self-defense of the officer.
Why are you trying to paint the kid as a saint and martyr when he clearly is not?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 10:27:28
Why are you trying to paint the kid as a saint and martyr when he clearly is not?
I am? where do you dream this ***up?
If the kid is a law abiding citizen, as many claim him to be, then one would have reasonable confirmation that the kid, as some reports claimed otherwise, did not reach for the officer's gun.
I'm not the one painting the kid to be a criminal, I'm just reporting events that would lead to the real question, as you bolded.
"Boys will be boys" can also include reckless endangerment of life, and reaching for the gun, intention to kill the officer or not, is probable cause for self-defense of the officer.
I hate to teach you another fallacy after 6 months of hearing you scream 'STRAWMAN!' but have you ever heard of the false cause fallacy?
By volkom 2014-08-21 10:31:55
Makes you wonder if the kid really did have his hands up when the officer shot him, like his friend said. His friend, who also committed a crime during and prior to the confrontation.
the guy was probably like this when he confronted the cop
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By fonewear 2014-08-21 10:35:56
Makes you wonder if the kid really did have his hands up when the officer shot him, like his friend said. His friend, who also committed a crime during and prior to the confrontation.
the guy was probably like this when he confronted the cop
More like this:
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:38:21
Why are you trying to paint the kid as a saint and martyr when he clearly is not?
I am? where do you dream this ***up?
If the kid is a law abiding citizen, as many claim him to be, then one would have reasonable confirmation that the kid, as some reports claimed otherwise, did not reach for the officer's gun.
I'm not the one painting the kid to be a criminal, I'm just reporting events that would lead to the real question, as you bolded.
"Boys will be boys" can also include reckless endangerment of life, and reaching for the gun, intention to kill the officer or not, is probable cause for self-defense of the officer.
I hate to teach you another fallacy after 6 months of hearing you scream 'STRAWMAN!' but have you ever heard of the false cause fallacy? And yet, you are saying that I'm painting him as a criminal.
Who's strawman who again?
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-21 10:39:15
I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-21 10:39:20
because it completely and utterly misses the point of the comic. -.-;
I sold my comic book collection to buy diapers and other baby essentials.... twenty years ago...
and then never bought another one.
comics were so much more awesome before they became popular as collector items and people started to buy first editions as investments and then the comic book makers started designing them to be collectible and it all went down hill from there and I quit caring...
the early dredd comics are so awesome.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:41:21
Don't forget boys and girls.
It's only a fallacy when you are losing an argument.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 10:41:31
because it completely and utterly misses the point of the comic. -.-;
I sold my comic book collection to buy diapers and other baby essentials.... twenty years ago...
and then never bought another one.
comics were so much more awesome before they became popular as collector items and people started to buy first editions as investments and then the comic book makers started designing them to be collectible and it all went down hill from there and I quit caring...
the early dredd comics are so awesome.
Yeah, all the gold foil covers and whatnot blah blah blah.
Anymore I pickup a few graphic novels/compelations per year digitally. But many those comics of 15-20 years ago. Back when Image was just starting, I loved all of their stuff.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 10:45:28
you are saying that I'm painting him as a criminal.
Was the kid breaking the law when the officer confronted him? Yes.
Did the kid rob a store prior to being confronted? Evidence states yes.
yet you bring up two accusations that have 0 bearing on whether a person should have his brains splattered across the street...
hhhmmmmmm hmmmmm.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-21 10:48:02
I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
Are you black? If so, expect a free flight home in a bodybag.
And whatever you do, don't question the police, they'll break your *** arms for resisting and murder you if you make any sudden movements. Welcome to the United States of Overreaction, enjoy your stay.
Also, burning crosses are part of the tour experience. Just take pictures and get the hell out of town before the sun rises.
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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