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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-20 15:11:03
Don't be a Menace in St. Louis while attempting to rob a Quik Trip.
I got these cheeseburgers man....
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By fonewear 2014-08-20 15:14:11
My hair is fabulous you must admit.
That is a Nobel Peace prize around my neck.
By volkom 2014-08-20 18:31:47
Can we expect more riots in the street tonight?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-08-20 18:47:28
Fone, you post so much that even Kingnobody is having a hard time rate up'ing every meaningless thing you say. Might wanna chill and give him some time to catch up.
K, you missed two on the previous page.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-20 18:55:37
Fone, you post so much that even Kingnobody is having a hard time rate up'ing every meaningless thing you say. Might wanna chill and give him some time to catch up.
K, you missed two on the previous page. Someone needs a hug.
By fonewear 2014-08-20 19:24:55
Can we expect more riots in the street tonight?
I hope so nothing good on TV on a Wednesday night...
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-08-20 20:05:01
Fone, you post so much that even Kingnobody is having a hard time rate up'ing every meaningless thing you say. Might wanna chill and give him some time to catch up.
K, you missed two on the previous page. Someone needs a hug.
It's not like I'm jealous of his +1s or anything.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-20 20:54:54
Fone, you post so much that even Kingnobody is having a hard time rate up'ing every meaningless thing you say. Might wanna chill and give him some time to catch up.
K, you missed two on the previous page. Someone needs a hug.
It's not like I'm jealous of his +1s or anything. Of course you are, why else would you complain about it?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-20 20:55:27
Can we expect more riots in the street tonight? Of course, they need to get groceries somehow, might as well riot in front of a store.
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By fonewear 2014-08-20 20:56:21
Breaking news it is raining the riots have been called off !
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By fonewear 2014-08-20 21:00:22
Guy gets beheaded by terrorist gets maybe 20 seconds of news coverage...that doesn't add up to me.
Not trying to equate death of people but I think terrorism is a much bigger threat than cops.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-08-20 21:12:07
Maybe it's just you, it's all I've been hearing today.
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By Bahamut.Megrim 2014-08-20 21:30:49
I'll tell you I've been arrested a few times in my life (was a feisty kid back in the day) and have never been read my rights.
I know its kind of an old post jet my bad for bringing it up.
The police don't have to read you your rights UNTIL they begin to question you. Meranda Rights only come into play when cops begin to ask you questions pertaining to an investigation.
Besides most people when they get arrested they are asked to sign a piece of paper. That piece of paper if you actually read it. (Before you are booked and fingerprinted) Is your Meranda Rights typed out; however most people don't realize that they SIGNED a consent of their rights.
enough on that tho.
Police State anyone?
By fonewear 2014-08-20 21:42:09
This is what Ferguson MO looks like:
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By Altimaomega 2014-08-20 21:43:49
I'll tell you I've been arrested a few times in my life (was a feisty kid back in the day) and have never been read my rights.
I know its kind of an old post jet my bad for bringing it up.
The police don't have to read you your rights UNTIL they begin to question you. Meranda Rights only come into play when cops begin to ask you questions pertaining to an investigation.
Besides most people when they get arrested they are asked to sign a piece of paper. That piece of paper if you actually read it. (Before you are booked and fingerprinted) Is your Meranda Rights typed out; however most people don't realize that they SIGNED a consent of their rights.
enough on that tho.
Police State anyone?
By Altimaomega 2014-08-20 21:51:06
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By fonewear 2014-08-20 22:50:13
No rioting tonight ? I want my money back CNN !
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 01:06:55
That article sucks balls. Not because of the issue but the opinions dripping in a manner that implies only non-open carry states have problems with the police indiscriminately shooting people.
Quote: In a twisted double-standard, anyone seen carrying a firearm in California is subject to certain harassment and possible death; that is, unless they are employed by the police. That should read not just CA but all of the US.
Open carry is not the issue. Cops assuming citizens are the enemy is the issue. Guilty until proved innocent seems to be the default position of the police.
Case in point: a man shot in Ohio two weeks ago (where open carry is legal) for picking up a toy gun in Wal-Mart.
Two different perspectives:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/man-police-shot-in-walmart-killed-over-fake-gun-fa/ngw77/?nmredir=true&__federated=1
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-walmart-gunman-was-carrying-toy-rifle/
Update after initial impressions:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article1252666.html
By Jetackuu 2014-08-21 01:25:41
I'll tell you I've been arrested a few times in my life (was a feisty kid back in the day) and have never been read my rights.
I know its kind of an old post jet my bad for bringing it up.
The police don't have to read you your rights UNTIL they begin to question you. Meranda Rights only come into play when cops begin to ask you questions pertaining to an investigation.
Besides most people when they get arrested they are asked to sign a piece of paper. That piece of paper if you actually read it. (Before you are booked and fingerprinted) Is your Meranda Rights typed out; however most people don't realize that they SIGNED a consent of their rights.
enough on that tho.
Police State anyone?
Actually, it wasn't on the paper, and I disagree with the notion that they don't have to read them unless you are being questioned, that's irrelevant.
Kind of like how you apparently lose your right to defense if they're not seeking jail time, good 'ol VA. It's nonsense, they're cutting corners that weren't meant to be cut.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-21 01:26:53
I'm also still of the opinion that the civilian police force doesn't need guns at all, especially in big cities. There's a solution: stop issuing a department firearm, allow only the swat teams to be armed, and deploy them only in times of actual need, not to serve warrants.
Then you'll have a lot less of this stupid ***.
edit: I may be persuaded to allow them to keep one in the trunk of their cruiser, but there's no reason most police should ever be carrying.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2014-08-21 02:43:23
Or maybe they are trying to get their jobs done without reporters getting in their way. How fed up would you be at your work if there were reporters all over the place, hounding you and putting cameras in your face while you are trying to do your job?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-21 03:13:53
If someone can't handle media scrutiny then they should probably avoid jobs that regularly come in contact with the press.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-21 04:03:49
If someone can't handle media scrutiny then they should probably avoid jobs that regularly come in contact with the press.
There's a difference between the press coverage your average policemen receives and the national media circus that's covering Ferguson. They'll do anything for a good shot of the action. I used to work at a place hosting an NFL summer training camp and my only job during practice was to keep the fans and the press from doing something stupid. No, you may not cross the press line and onto the field for a better camera view, moron. No, you may not go onto the field to grab a cup one of the players just tossed, you friggin' weirdo. I just can't see the press behaving any more responsibly in an actual riot scenario and I wouldn't trust them to not makes things worse.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-21 04:27:58
Or maybe they are trying to get their jobs done without reporters getting in their way. How fed up would you be at your work if there were reporters all over the place, hounding you and putting cameras in your face while you are trying to do your job? That's the thing about the Police, in their eyes the news is always "in their way."
something something accountability, something something overreach of power, something something violation of 1st Amendment, something something.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-21 04:34:17
That's the thing about the Police, in their eyes the news is always "in their way."
something something accountability, something something overreach of power, something something violation of 1st Amendment, something something.
And here I go playing devil's advocate to myself, because I agree with this as well. It's just a power struggle between two hot-headed groups.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2014-08-21 07:06:02
That's the thing about the Police, in their eyes the news is always "in their way."
something something accountability, something something overreach of power, something something violation of 1st Amendment, something something. I don't disagree. But if there is clearly a place where the press are supposed to gather, they should stay there. Its the ones trying to get exclusive footage by ignoring the police and potentially putting themselves or somebody else in harms way that ruin it for everybody.
Its the same cycle that results in minorities being harassed by police. Press ignores cops because they have been treated poorly; cops treat press poorly because they ignore them. Police harass minorities because they don't show any respect; minorities don't respect police because they've been harassed.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 07:22:07
Quote: I used to work at a place hosting an NFL summer training camp
Ugh, it's the worst. Which team, out of curiousity? The Steelers have their training camp here where I live and it seriously adds 10-20 minutes to my commute time home from work daily during camp, not to mention it makes it a real hassle to go out to eat because of all the damn people. And of course, the local restaurants go all-out, because Pittsburgh Region, Steelers Nation, blah blah blah, catering to all the people coming in.
It's luckily wrapping up for the year now, so...should be mostly clear until next August.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 07:23:40
Press ignores cops because they have been treated poorly; cops treat press poorly because they ignore them. Police harass minorities because they don't show any respect; minorities don't respect police because they've been harassed.
Uh. The two situations aren't really the same. I'm pretty sure most police would be just fine with the press ignoring them.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 07:36:46
Press ignores cops because they have been treated poorly; cops treat press poorly because they ignore them. Police harass minorities because they don't show any respect; minorities don't respect police because they've been harassed.
Uh. The two situations aren't really the same. I'm pretty sure most police would be just fine with the press ignoring them. Another issue is the degrees from the press and police.
Not all police officers are the same, there are only a few officers who actually harass people. People who claim to have been harassed do so because they didn't like the event that caused them to be "harassed" (i.e. getting pulled over, driving drunk, getting into an accident, going through security, etc.)
But the media is a closed-nit community. There isn't much variation between reporters and news broadcasters, and the treatment is nearly the same overall.
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To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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