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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 12:56:13
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ICRC said:
The International Committee of the Red Cross:
The Nazi genocide and other persecutions


25-10-2007 Statement


Document adopted by the ICRC Assembly on 27 April 2006.
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The genocide of the Jews and Gypsies and other persecutions carried out under the Third Reich were the cause of unspeakable suffering. That such events were allowed to happen is the greatest failure of Western civilization.



This failure is also that of the Red Cross as a whole, but it weighs most heavily on the ICRC given the organization's specific mission and its position within the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement. Millions of men, women and children – mainly Jews, but also Gypsies, the handicapped and all those whom the regime considered as opponents or resistance fighters – were exterminated in cold blood, in atrocious conditions, without the ICRC being able to do anything to protect them. Never had the organization's guiding principles been so outrageously flouted, in a total perversion of moral values that resulted in the industrialization of death. For the survivors and the families of the victims, the wounds inflicted by these events remain open to this day.



This failure is aggravated by the fact that the ICRC did not do everything in its power to put an end to the persecutions and help the victims. The organization remained a prisoner of its traditional procedures and of the overly narrow legal framework in which it operated. Having abandoned the idea of public condemnation – convinced as it was that this would not change the course of events, fearing that it would jeopardize the activities it was carrying out for other victims, especially prisoners of war, and not wishing to exacerbate Switzerland's relations with the belligerent States – the ICRC essentially relied on its delegates to make confidential representations to the authorities of the Reich or its satellites. However, these delegates had no access to the corridors of power. Only towards the end of the war did the ICRC's leaders make high-level representations to certain leaders of the Reich and its satellites.



In the words of Jean-Claude Favez, who made the most thorough independent study of the ICRC's efforts to help the victims of Nazi persecution and who, to that end, was granted unlimited access to the ICRC's archives, the organization "did not take the supreme risk of throwing the full weight of its moral authority into the scales on behalf of these particular victims." 1



Having confined itself to two options – that of the very limited aid operation it was carrying out for the victims of Nazi persecution, with derisory results in regard to the situation of the victims and no impact on the genocide, and that of public condemnation, an ultimate weapon that the ICRC felt it could not use, the organization was unable – until the last months of the war – to make determined, sustained, high-level diplomatic representations to the leaders of the Reich or to those of its allies or satellites, not all of whom shared the destructive fanaticism of Nazi dignitaries. 2



Such approaches should have been attempted, even if it could be doubted that the desired results would be achieved. For if crime meets with no protest – were it only by means of confidential representations – if repeated atrocities meet with no condemnation – even if no material sanctions are imposed – then it is to be feared that the moral values underlying international humanitarian law will eventually wither away.



With this in mind, the ICRC today regrets its past errors and omissions. This failure will remain engraved in the organization's memory, as will the brave acts undertaken by many of its delegates at the time.



While history cannot be rewritten, the ICRC intends to honour the victims of Nazi persecution by fighting for a world in which the dignity of every man, woman and child is respected in all circumstances.



1. Jean-Claude Favez, avec la collaboration de Geneviève Billeter, Une mission impossible? Le CICR,

les déportations et les camps de concentration nazis , Lausanne, Editions Payot, 1988. This book was published in English under the title The Red Cross and the Holocaust (Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1999), pp. 273-282

2. "The question may therefore be asked why between, on the one hand, the aid operation, derisory from the point of view of the victims, [...] and on the other the public appeal, a weapon of last resort which the ICRC […] felt it could not use, no diplomatic initiative was launched that was both worthy of the drama being enacted before everyone's eyes and based on a precise calculation of risks, such as a protest letter to Hitler or Himmler, or better still a mission by Huber or Burckhardt to Berlin or Berchtesgaden." (Favez, 1999, op. cit ., p. 279)

Even the ITS (International Tracing Service) is quoted as saying there were over 271k interned Jewish and Romani prisoners found in a single "ghetto", in Lodz, Poland, second in size only to the one in Warsaw, Poland.

Only 227k Jewish people killed? Right.

International Committee of the Red Cross
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-31 12:59:46
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The Chinese are God's chosen people anyway, point is moot.

That's not fair, I need some love from god as well :(
God does not love nor hate. You need living beings for those types of feelings.


That's contradiction!
How so?

If God is above humanity, as he is portrayed in all religious texts, then why should you attribute human emotion to a being above humanity?

Seems like the logical conclusion to me.
Perhaps there are degrees of the phenomena we refer to as emotions? Does a mother's love for her children make her incapable of loving other children? Does the fact that we as humans recognize sadness and happiness as emotions mean that he who created them does not, or is incapable of such?
Doesn't matter what humans feel or not feel. What matters is how humans portray and idolize superior beings.

How can God be greater than humans if he is limited to the concepts of humans? If God is not greater than humans, why worship Him as a being greater than humans? If God is not greater than humans, does that mean that God can fail? If God is not greater than humans, does that mean that God is not perfect? What is the point in worshiping a being who is not perfect?

You can throw humans <insert emotional state> other humans all you want, it doesn't even come close to my point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-31 13:00:17
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Fifty-Nine Pages!!!!!!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-07-31 13:12:14
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I've always been a fan of either:

A. God is everything. God is what we call *** matter. The entirety of reality is formed in God. God has no corporeal form.

B. God and the heavenly realm is similar to our own. The Gods fight, love, hate, ragequit over vidya games, die and created us one weekend cause they were bored.

Occasionally, like an ant farm, we get shaken up or taken care depending on which way the wind blows.

C. This is all a simulation by super-intelligent beings who want to see how a species behaves inside a pocket universe. Everything to them is moving at rapid pace but since we exist inside the universe we're all moving at the pace dictated.

I understand why humans want everything figured out for them including that eternal vacation we call heaven but really, whats the point of perfection and eternal bliss? If you want that, it's called use drugs and even that high wears off.

Good things are good because bad things are bad. Living up in the clouds forever or burning over coals forever are both two extremes of a very primitive way of looking at the world. Chosen people is just bronze age racism. When I see Jews firing lightning from their palms, levitating or reading minds from a wheelchair I'll believe.

Also, why is everyone white in heaven? All the angels are white. God is white. Rarely are angels female. No one is brown. Everything in heaven is white. Does God not adhere to affirmative action regulations?

I really wouldn't want to contact the EEOC.... but something's up.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-31 13:21:31
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our entire universe is a single closed electron of a molecule of an elementary particle in a far grander universe we will never see.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-31 13:40:47
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
our entire universe is a single closed electron of a molecule of an elementary particle in a far grander universe we will never see.
that's some MIB ***right there...
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 13:41:41
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Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-31 13:56:39
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This patch is magical !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-31 13:58:34
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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our entire universe is a single closed electron of a molecule of an elementary particle in a far grander universe we will never see.
that's some MIB ***right there...

carl sagan!

(I think MIB was marbles...)
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-31 13:59:25
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
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By fonewear 2014-07-31 13:59:41
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I'm wearing that patch and I've never felt like such a strong independent woman.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-31 13:59:48
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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our entire universe is a single closed electron of a molecule of an elementary particle in a far grander universe we will never see.
that's some MIB ***right there...

carl sagan!

(I think MIB was marbles...)
you got the idea!
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 14:00:35
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-31 14:01:06
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 14:01:53
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.
No, jokes just repeatedly fly over your head. A lot.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-31 14:02:11
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This patch is magical !
fixed.

No, no, this is magical.

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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-31 14:02:13
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/puts a sticker that says "Special" on his shirt
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-31 14:03:13
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.

Canadian humor is fine. It's the bacon you're thinking of; Canadian bacon is awful.

It's just a slice of ham!
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 14:04:07
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.

Canadian humor is fine. It's the bacon you're thinking of; Canadian bacon is awful.

It's just a slice of ham!
It was also a horrible movie.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-31 14:05:39
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.

Canadian humor is fine. It's the bacon you're thinking of; Canadian bacon is awful.

It's just a slice of ham!
It was also a horrible movie.

It wasn't that bad. It's worth watching after a few beers. Maybe back-to-back with Strange Brew.

If nothing else it deserves leeway as John Candy's last film.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-31 14:39:04
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Nikolce is really Special K cereal! I mean... Special Agent K!
They weren't special agents... /slap

god damn canadians...
*sigh* "That's the joke" must fly right over your head.

No point in explaining it, as it's already ruined.
Canadian humor is awful.

Canadian humor is fine. It's the bacon you're thinking of; Canadian bacon is awful.

It's just a slice of ham!
It was also a horrible movie.

It wasn't that bad. It's worth watching after a few beers. Maybe back-to-back with Strange Brew.

If nothing else it deserves leeway as John Candy's last film.

the propaganda commercial they hand in the movie about Canada was great.

The Candadian influence, like maple syrup, is slowly oozing over the north American border
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By fonewear 2014-07-31 14:42:08
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I like Crown Royal so I support Canada.
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By fonewear 2014-07-31 14:47:20
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I don't support hockey and maple syrup though.


Well maybe if I'm a little bit drunk.


I'm sure Canada has done other things but yea let's just go with those two.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-31 14:48:38
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fonewear said: »
I like Crown Royal so I support Canada.

Do you like Crowl Royal Maple?

Personally, the stuff makes me gag (same for the various honey whiskies out there recently), but I've got some friends who love the stuff.

And it sort of lets you have an alcohol-infushed version of the syrup chugging scene from Super Troppers.
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