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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-07-22 11:32:08
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A Court Ruling Just Blew A Huge Hole In Obamacare

Obamacare was just dealt a major loss in court.


The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled Tuesday that more than half the country shouldn't be receiving tax subsidies under Obamacare -- a ruling that could cripple the health care law if it's ultimately upheld.

The 2-1 decision in Halbig v. Sebelius is the first victory, in any court, for a legal challenge that says the tax subsidies should only be available in states that set up their own insurance exchanges.

The health care law specifically authorizes subsidies in "an exchange established by the State," and the plaintiffs in Halbig said the administration violated the law by also extending subsidies to the in the 36 states using the federal system. They said Congress meant for the tax credits to serve as an incentive for states to establish their own exchanges.

Defenders of the health law said that reading of the health care law is too narrow, and that Congress clearly intended for the financial assistance to be provided equally on all exchanges.

Two federal courts have dismissed similar challenges, making Tuesday's victory especially important for the challengers.

The D.C. Circuit ruling guarantees that the issue will move forward -- something that should seriously scare the administration. An ultimate win would deal a devastating blow to the health care law.

A recent report from Urban Institute researchers estimated that a ruling against the Obama administration could cause an estimated 7.3 million people -- about 62 percent of the 11.8 million people expected to enroll in federally facilitated marketplaces by 2016 -- to lose out on $36.1 billion in insurance subsidies.

Consumers in Texas and Florida could be hardest hit, according to the report, with $5.6 billion and $4.8 billion respectively at risk.

The federal government can now appeal the three-judge panel's ruling to the full D.C. Circuit, where Obamacare allies believe they're more likely to win.

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By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 11:35:39
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Probably not a good idea to keep *** with an already shitty situation, they should just figure out ways to improve it, but instead they'll keep wasting our time and money.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-07-22 11:41:52
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No ***; I don't qualify anyways lol. Uninsured before Obama, uninsured during Obama, and probably after as well
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 11:43:18
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Starve the beast! A win for the working stiffs who don't plan on mooching off the system for the rest of our lives.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:26:00
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Jetackuu said: »
Probably not a good idea to keep *** with an already shitty situation, they should just figure out ways to improve it, but instead they'll keep wasting our time and money.
Same was said about Social Security back when it was first passed.

Thing is, it hasn't improved much since then.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:28:11
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Defenders of the health law said that reading of the health care law is too narrow, and that Congress clearly intended for the financial assistance to be provided equally on all exchanges.
How can Congress "clearly" intend for the financial assistance if it specifically states:

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The health care law specifically authorizes subsidies in "an exchange established by the State,"



That is the same thing as saying "You shouldn't kill people" then say "Well, I meant you shouldn't kill people I don't want you to kill" when you kill somebody.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 12:30:03
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Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.

One big miscalculation was the unplanned for increase in the age American's were living to and also the government sticking their hands in the cookie jar without putting any new cookies back in...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:34:49
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.
I never said that it didn't turn out bad, just poorly managed from the get-go.

Will Obamacare become like Social Security? Where it is greatly hated at first, but as it ages on, we get used to it and the bitching stops? More than likely, yes.

Will it be effective? Neither Obamacare nor Social Security have been, nor will be effective to it's intended effect.

Would we miss Social Security if it goes away? Well, at first people will *** about losing the money they put in over the years, but to be honest, it was never intended to support you for retirement (actually, it was intended, it was never enacted that way). Over time, nobody would notice (as long as we aren't taxed on it still) or care.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 12:43:02
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Write bad laws, get bad laws...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:46:11
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Write bad laws, get bad laws...
...expect the people to accept bad laws or call them racists for not believing a certain president.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:47:09
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Probably not a good idea to keep *** with an already shitty situation, they should just figure out ways to improve it, but instead they'll keep wasting our time and money.
Same was said about Social Security back when it was first passed.

Thing is, it hasn't improved much since then.
Yet we could vastly improve both systems, instead people keep wasting time.

Also: the use of the term "State" has been used in a manner in which to describe the nation as a whole before, so don't act like it's something knew. However they should have worded it better, and it would be to the people's benefit to direct it as such.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 12:49:14
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.
I never said that it didn't turn out bad, just poorly managed from the get-go.

Will Obamacare become like Social Security? Where it is greatly hated at first, but as it ages on, we get used to it and the bitching stops? More than likely, yes.

Will it be effective? Neither Obamacare nor Social Security have been, nor will be effective to it's intended effect.

Would we miss Social Security if it goes away? Well, at first people will *** about losing the money they put in over the years, but to be honest, it was never intended to support you for retirement (actually, it was intended, it was never enacted that way). Over time, nobody would notice (as long as we aren't taxed on it still) or care.
Try and take away SS and you will see the legions of angry mobs show up in protest. People would miss it and it would not go un noticed... you're crazy if you actually believe otherwise.

Social Security has been pretty effective actually. It's been a lifeline for millions. Just poor long term planning with the increase in life expectancy. People were dieing right around the time SS would kick in. And as I said before dipping into the funds without replenishing.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 12:50:16
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Write bad laws, get bad laws...
...expect the people to accept bad laws or call them racists for not believing a certain president.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Write bad laws, get bad laws...
Spends time spouting drivel given to them by someone else because they don't have anything real to say lol...
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-22 12:53:59
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Write bad laws, get bad laws...
...expect the people to accept bad laws or call them racists for not believing a certain president.

this is the extreme liberals version of the extreme conservatives calling people unpatriotic when something negative was said about bush.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:54:34
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Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Probably not a good idea to keep *** with an already shitty situation, they should just figure out ways to improve it, but instead they'll keep wasting our time and money.
Same was said about Social Security back when it was first passed.

Thing is, it hasn't improved much since then.
Yet we could vastly improve both systems, instead people keep wasting time.
The actual Social Security Act of 1935 was written that the person gets the exact money they put into it, and whatever is left after the person dies goes to the beneficiaries. All the government was doing was being a trustee for the nation.

Then it got amended to the point where the money I pay is going to the insurance that pays for people who have "headaches" or "depression" and "cannot work because of it".

The only way to improve the law is to remove all amendments and increase the tax to 15-20% (and remove the employer mandated contribution) of gross wages. That would make it into what it truly is supposed to do, become a forced retirement account for everyone.

Jetackuu said: »
Also: the use of the term "State" has been used in a manner in which to describe the nation as a whole before, so don't act like it's something knew. However they should have worded it better, and it would be to the people's benefit to direct it as such.
The term "State" hasn't been used to refer to the federal government for decades. And only for laws that affect businesses, not governments.

If I remember correctly, the Bank Secrecy Act in the 70s was the last law that referred the federal government as "state"
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:55:06
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Unfortunately their numbers grew, but remained as stupid.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:56:32
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I see no reason to remove the employer mandated contribution, and I'd agree with the rest if you implement proper healthcare reform.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-22 13:01:27
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Poor people potentially losing their health insurance? It's like Christmas come early!

(This still has to survive future appeals.)
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 13:01:38
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.

One big miscalculation was the unplanned for increase in the age American's were living to and also the government sticking their hands in the cookie jar without putting any new cookies back in...

Public opinion doesn't make a law sucessful. SS sucks. If we all personally invested our SS taxes, we'd all be MUCH better off.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:02:42
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Try and take away SS and you will see the legions of angry mobs show up in protest. People would miss it and it would not go un noticed... you're crazy if you actually believe otherwise.
And yet, they still implemented Obamacare. There were legions of angry mobs showed up in protest and yet, it still exists.

Goes to show you how much the federal government cares about the people.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security has been pretty effective actually. It's been a lifeline for millions. Just poor long term planning with the increase in life expectancy. People were dieing right around the time SS would kick in. And as I said before dipping into the funds without replenishing.
How is it effective when it doesn't pay for retirement? The poor old people still have to work during their retirement years just to support themselves, unless they want to go into governmental housing and get abused/raped by the help there.

But to you, it is a great success, isn't it?

Social Security was intended to provide sustainable income to people after they reach a certain age (known as retirement). It was not intended to support people with headaches and/or depression to keep them from having to support themselves while they leech. It was also intended to take the money you make over the years and give it back to you (tax free) in exact amounts.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 13:03:38
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Poor people potentially losing their health insurance? It's like Christmas come early!

(This still has to survive future appeals.)

Riiiiight, cause when it says "state" it doesn't mean what it says. Let's just throw that "nation of laws" thing out the window. Besides Obama follows his own anyways...

Can I get odds on when the impending "executive order" dissolving the judicial ruling will no doubt come?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:08:28
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I see no reason to remove the employer mandated contribution, and I'd agree with the rest if you implement proper healthcare reform.
Well, it would remove the need to have Self-Employment Tax. It also creates a sense of contribution by the employee and lowers the cost of maintaining the employee by the employer, which would create an incentive for employers to hire more people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:09:20
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.

One big miscalculation was the unplanned for increase in the age American's were living to and also the government sticking their hands in the cookie jar without putting any new cookies back in...

Public opinion doesn't make a law sucessful. SS sucks. If we all personally invested our SS taxes, we'd all be MUCH better off.
Didn't you know, the government knows best when it comes to our money.

That's what Obama keeps telling us! God, where have you been man?!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-07-22 13:09:44
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Not really a major blow for the ACA as it is a major blow to Lazy States.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-22 13:11:04
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Starve the beast! A win for the working stiffs who don't plan on mooching off the system for the rest of our lives.

Except that the "working stiffs" are paying for it either way. Insured people already pay over $1000 annually to offset the cost of caring for uninsured that providers would otherwise lose. At least PPACA gives those people the ability to pay for much cheaper preventative care.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-07-22 13:12:48
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I like how people didn't read the decision and went right to writing out their premeditated political talking points.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 13:14:02
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Social Security really didn't turn out that bad. Althought hugely unpopular among the public at first it has been embraced since.

One big miscalculation was the unplanned for increase in the age American's were living to and also the government sticking their hands in the cookie jar without putting any new cookies back in...

Public opinion doesn't make a law sucessful. SS sucks. If we all personally invested our SS taxes, we'd all be MUCH better off.
Why dos SS suck? Please explain.
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By Asura.Triffle 2014-07-22 13:17:16
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Is it just me or is your country completely broken?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 13:18:17
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Thanks Obama!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:19:41
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Not really a major blow for the ACA as it is a major blow to Lazy States.
One of the key points of the law is to force people to pay for their insurance, but get reimbursed for it. By removing the subsidy, the citizens will now have to either pay for their own insurance or pay the penalty. It also leads to an eventual rise of the cost of insurance and medical costs due to people who "pay the penalty", go without insurance, and stiff the hospital on the bill (which is the problem to begin with!). Real good way to solve the initial problem there!

These "lazy states" are the ones who didn't approve of the law in the first place! Or are you going to say that lack of approval is laziness?
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