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Mass rise in children crossing into the US
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 09:58:51
That would be the libertarian thing to do.
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yeah, that'd work.
Why do they put one up at the white house then?
The fact that you're trying to equate the white house security fence with a border fence is baffling. While yes they are both meant to keep people out, they are both breachable (technically) the one would be much easier than the other.
This is one of the border "walls"
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what was that about fiscal conservation?
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 10:01:02
andddd
white house fence:
Do I need to explain the size/cost difference to you?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-22 10:10:00
The White House picture has the solution. The Gubbmint should contract scientists to genetically engineer packs of wild dogs with a taste for Meheecan flesh to patrol the border. Bonus points for outfitting them in those adorable doggy Kevlar vests.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 10:39:22
So we are capable of keeping people out of places we don't want them?
Thanks for validating that Jet, I knew it was true.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 10:51:06
So we are capable of keeping people out of places we don't want them?
Thanks for validating that Jet, I knew it was true. Not really... people find their way in to all kinds of places all the time that they are not supposed to.
We've had at least 5 incidents here in the last decade where someone has broken in to a power plant over double layered barbed wire fences in an attempt to steal copper wiring that led to the death of the theif who ignored all the warning signs and found a way over. Not only did they get in and then die by their own stupidity their families sued the company and each time was awarded millions.
I mean with the number of homes and businesses broken into all the time you think you'd at least feel a bit foolish for trying to equate border security to this...
In any case it all comes down to money... It would take a whole mountain of it to do what you want to and I'm sure people would still find a way around...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 10:56:16
So we are capable of keeping people out of places we don't want them?
Thanks for validating that Jet, I knew it was true. Not really... people find their way in to all kinds of places all the time that they are not supposed to.
We've had at least 5 incidents here in the last decade where someone has broken in to a power plant over double layered barbed wire fences in an attempt to steal copper wiring that led to the death of the theif who ignored all the warning signs and found a way over. Not only did they get in and then die by their own stupidity their families sued the company and each time was awarded millions.
I mean with the number of homes and businesses broken into all the time you think you'd at least feel a bit foolish for trying to equate border security to this...
In any case it all comes down to money... It would take a whole mountain of it to do what you want to and I'm sure people would still find a way around...
Riiiight, we can't reduce hundreds of thousands of people to zero so why bother trying at all.
you're ridiculous
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 11:30:09
So we are capable of keeping people out of places we don't want them?
Thanks for validating that Jet, I knew it was true.
Capable, but the ends sure as ***don't justify the means, nor is it 100%
If you want to employ thousands of people to patrol the borders para-military style, then you fund it, while I'd prefer to address actual issues, instead of the symptoms.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-22 11:56:32
It's the purpose of the military to defend the country. They should do so by enforcing our borders. I've already paid for it.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 11:59:42
So we are capable of keeping people out of places we don't want them?
Thanks for validating that Jet, I knew it was true. Not really... people find their way in to all kinds of places all the time that they are not supposed to.
We've had at least 5 incidents here in the last decade where someone has broken in to a power plant over double layered barbed wire fences in an attempt to steal copper wiring that led to the death of the theif who ignored all the warning signs and found a way over. Not only did they get in and then die by their own stupidity their families sued the company and each time was awarded millions.
I mean with the number of homes and businesses broken into all the time you think you'd at least feel a bit foolish for trying to equate border security to this...
In any case it all comes down to money... It would take a whole mountain of it to do what you want to and I'm sure people would still find a way around...
Riiiight, we can't reduce hundreds of thousands of people to zero so why bother trying at all.
you're ridiculous We do try... and we fail consistently... Besides that when did I ever say anything about not bothering to try anything at all?
No one said to give up on border security but your non existant connection between border patrol and there being a fence around the whitehouse is the only ridiculous thing on this page lol...
Basically Nausi you're replying along party lines to something you have no actual knowledge on why you're even mad about it in the first place. Grasping at straws so thin they don't even exist but in your own little mind.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-22 12:00:48
It's the purpose of the military to defend the country. They should do so by enforcing our borders. I've already paid for it. Oh you... you do make me laugh quite a bit... thank you for that.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:04:08
It's the purpose of the military to defend the country. They should do so by enforcing our borders. I've already paid for it. Delusional as always, thanks.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-22 12:10:06
It's the purpose of the military to defend the country. They should do so by enforcing our borders. I've already paid for it.
rick perry agrees with you.
mmmm-hmmm
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:13:51
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:31:02
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-22 12:33:06
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-22 12:35:12
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey.
wow, you're an arrogant little ***.
tell that to all the national gaurdsmen who were KIA, or the 6,000 or so gaurdsmen WIA fighting the last two unpopular, undermanned wars.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:38:15
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey.
wow, you're an arrogant little ***.
tell that to all the national gaurdsmen who were KIA, or the 6,000 or so gaurdsmen WIA fighting the last two unpopular, undermanned wars.
You're kind of stupid aren't you?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:38:38
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-22 12:39:17
nah, they're not actual military, I'm just stupid, sure.
wow.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:39:24
Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey.
wow, you're an arrogant little ***.
tell that to all the national gaurdsmen who were KIA, or the 6,000 or so gaurdsmen WIA fighting the last two unpopular, undermanned wars. Not sure if serious or not....
edit: nvm.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:40:19
Wait, we haven't done our usual:
Nine Pages!!!!!
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-22 12:43:14
Wait, we haven't done our usual:
Nine Pages!!!!!
You know what that means!
Discuss.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 12:45:10
Wait, we haven't done our usual:
Nine Pages!!!!!
You know what that means!
Discuss.It's more fun when people discuss that cow farts are the cause of global warming and in order to reverse the effects of it, we all must kill all the cows in the world and become vegans.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:48:25
nah, they're not actual military, I'm just stupid, sure.
wow. You missed the entire point of the statement to go on your little tirade, get the *** over it.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-22 12:49:01
Wait, we haven't done our usual:
Nine Pages!!!!!
You know what that means!
Discuss.It's more fun when people discuss that cow farts are the cause of global warming and in order to reverse the effects of it, we all must kill all the cows in the world and become vegans. If it's between not eating beef and dying from global warming, I'll take death sir.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-22 12:49:19
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
If the President calls the national guard the federal government has to pay for it. If a state governor calls the national guard the state has to pay but can seek reimbursement.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:15:04
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
If the President calls the national guard the federal government has to pay for it. If a state governor calls the national guard the state has to pay but can seek reimbursement. Again, I wasn't thinking about the monitary situation.
Texas can afford to pay for the National Guard to defend the border. We have had a surplus of tax funds for many years now and have nearly $19 billion in unrestricted "governmental equity" because of it.
We can afford to support our own National Guard for years without the help of the federal government. In most cases, we aren't even reimbursed for maintaining/training the National Guard (see link above for proof).
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-22 13:17:28
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
If the President calls the national guard the federal government has to pay for it. If a state governor calls the national guard the state has to pay but can seek reimbursement. Again, I wasn't thinking about the monitary situation.
Texas can afford to pay for the National Guard to defend the border. We have had a surplus of tax funds for many years now and have nearly $19 billion in unrestricted "governmental equity" because of it.
We can afford to support our own National Guard for years without the help of the federal government. In most cases, we aren't even reimbursed for maintaining/training the National Guard (see link above for proof).
Just cause they have the extra money it does not mean they want to pay for it. If not why were they not sent out months ago?
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-22 13:18:19
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
If the President calls the national guard the federal government has to pay for it. If a state governor calls the national guard the state has to pay but can seek reimbursement. Again, I wasn't thinking about the monitary situation.
Texas can afford to pay for the National Guard to defend the border. We have had a surplus of tax funds for many years now and have nearly $19 billion in unrestricted "governmental equity" because of it.
We can afford to support our own National Guard for years without the help of the federal government. In most cases, we aren't even reimbursed for maintaining/training the National Guard (see link above for proof).
Just cause they have the extra money it does not mean they want to pay for it. If not why were they not sent out months ago?
It all comes down to money and the political game.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-22 13:51:37
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Leviathan.Redherring said: »Well I'd agree with sending the National Guard, to an extent, but not the actual military, but hey. Better the National Guard than the Texas Militia.
By using the national guard instead of militia they can try to get reimbursed by the federal government. Wasn't thinking about that.
I was thinking about trained professionals who not only knew when to act and when to control vs a bunch of untrained people who are out to make examples of immigrants.
If the President calls the national guard the federal government has to pay for it. If a state governor calls the national guard the state has to pay but can seek reimbursement. Again, I wasn't thinking about the monitary situation.
Texas can afford to pay for the National Guard to defend the border. We have had a surplus of tax funds for many years now and have nearly $19 billion in unrestricted "governmental equity" because of it.
We can afford to support our own National Guard for years without the help of the federal government. In most cases, we aren't even reimbursed for maintaining/training the National Guard (see link above for proof).
Just cause they have the extra money it does not mean they want to pay for it. If not why were they not sent out months ago? Doesn't matter to be honest. The reason why we haven't sent out the National Guard to the border is because us Texas citizens do not want them to go there.
*Gasp*A governmental body who actually listens to the citizens they represent? What a strange and foreign concept!
No wonder Texans have a much higher respect for the Texas government than the federal government...
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Quote: Immigrant Children Crossing into the US
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — As many as 1,200 children who were detained while trying to enter the U.S. illegally will be taken to Fort Sill this week as federal officials try to find their families or place them with a sponsor, federal and military officials said Monday.
The unaccompanied minors, most of them teenagers from Central America, will start arriving at Fort Sill from Arizona starting Friday, according to Fort Sill and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The children and teens are among the more than 47,000 unaccompanied minors taken into custody at the border since October.
Federal authorities plan to use a holding facility in Nogales, Arizona, as a way station where the children will be vaccinated and checked medically before being sent to Fort Sill and other housing facilities in Texas and California.
Fort Sill said it will temporarily hold between 600 and 1,200 minors in vacant housing at the Army post for up to four months, or as long as directed. DHHS’s Administration for Children and Families will be responsible for their care.
“Fort Sill will provide a vacant facility historically used by soldiers set apart from main post that offers sleeping quarters, bathing and toilet facilities, as well as multi-purpose gathering space,” Keith Pannell and Nancy Elliott, spokespeople for Fort Sill, said in a statement released Monday.
Oklahoma’s congressional delegation criticized the plan, saying military bases shouldn’t be used for such purposes.
“Using Fort Sill and other military bases to house illegal immigrants is simply an inappropriate use of military facilities,” said Republican Rep. Tom Cole, whose district includes the Army post about 85 miles southwest of Oklahoma City. “Moreover, I am concerned that what begins as an emergency measure could, over time, evolve into a permanent juvenile detention center for those who have entered the country illegally.”
The move is part of the Unaccompanied Alien Children program, which provides foster care, group homes and residential treatment centers for minors who try to cross the border without their parents or guardians. It also provides classroom education, health care, vocational training and legal services, according to DHHS’s website.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security last month started flying immigrants in the U.S. illegally to Arizona from the Rio Grande Valley in Texas after the number of immigrants — including more than 48,000 children traveling on their own — overwhelmed the Border Patrol there.
Immigrant families were flown from Texas and released in Arizona, then told to report to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office near where they were traveling within 15 days. ICE has said the immigrants were mostly families from Central America fleeing extreme poverty and violence.
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