Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Whatever, you guys are the ones in favor of a Minimum wage to begin with. I still think we should get rid of it and let the market sort out wages.
Zicdeh for president!
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Ohh we're back to minimum wage talks. I guess the Obama economy is so awful that we've abandoned the hope of making better and more specialized jobs in favor of trying to be able to live comfortably on jobs no one is supposed to live comfortably on. Yes. We. Can. And then demand research on that. More energy wasted in the wrong place IMO, I'm unsure as to the origins of this particular form of misanthropy, but it just serves as more evidence that liberals would rather spread the misery of an awful economy rather than enable prosperity through opportunity.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: » Whatever, you guys are the ones in favor of a Minimum wage to begin with. I still think we should get rid of it and let the market sort out wages. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Only thing that bugs me about the Minimum Wage article on Forbes is that they take people earning exactly, or below the minimum wage. If someone is paid 5c more than minimum wage, they're not included in the numbers. (Though the writer happily includes numbers from higher brackets when it coincides with his agenda) Minimum wage increase makes low-level jobs competitive with some high demand jobs that pay just a bit more. For example, Low-level health care workers for example who make something like $10 an hour, would you rather sweep a shop for $10/hr or wipe someone's *** with Hepatitis for $10 an hour? learn a trade that doesn't require you to do either? Typical response of someone afraid to confront a question. Get back to me when you have the ability to think critically. Or, as you call it, a Low-level health care worker? One without any medical education at all. Or a fast-food cook? Or an unfriendly cashier? Or a car washer? Also, do you realize that, if you increase their wages to $15 per hour, the cost of living will also increase at a higher rate? Perfect examples are most of California and NYC, where minimum wage is higher than the federal minimum, but the costs of living are much higher than areas where the minimum wage is the federal minimum. Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said or suggested any of that. Reading Comprehension [do you need it?]  Shiva.Viciousss said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » More energy wasted in the wrong place IMO, I'm unsure as to the origins of this particular form of misanthropy, but it just serves as more evidence that liberals would rather spread the misery of an awful economy rather than enable prosperity through opportunity. Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. We should actually do a system of voluntary patronage. Worker(s) work for a wealthy patron, and in exchange for said work, the wealthy patron simply provides food and shelter. It's not like the minimum wage was livable anyway, not only does the standard of living increase under this system, but it also cuts out the middle man. Plus no taxes for the working class.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Thanks Vic, I needed that laugh today (it is "Monday" after all)... it's monday # 2 aka tuesday Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Whatever, you guys are the ones in favor of a Minimum wage to begin with. I still think we should get rid of it and let the market sort out wages. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Only thing that bugs me about the Minimum Wage article on Forbes is that they take people earning exactly, or below the minimum wage. If someone is paid 5c more than minimum wage, they're not included in the numbers. (Though the writer happily includes numbers from higher brackets when it coincides with his agenda) Minimum wage increase makes low-level jobs competitive with some high demand jobs that pay just a bit more. For example, Low-level health care workers for example who make something like $10 an hour, would you rather sweep a shop for $10/hr or wipe someone's *** with Hepatitis for $10 an hour? learn a trade that doesn't require you to do either? Typical response of someone afraid to confront a question. Get back to me when you have the ability to think critically. Or, as you call it, a Low-level health care worker? One without any medical education at all. Or a fast-food cook? Or an unfriendly cashier? Or a car washer? Also, do you realize that, if you increase their wages to $15 per hour, the cost of living will also increase at a higher rate? Perfect examples are most of California and NYC, where minimum wage is higher than the federal minimum, but the costs of living are much higher than areas where the minimum wage is the federal minimum. Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said or suggested any of that. Reading Comprehension [do you need it?] Typical conservative attitude. I'm going to misrepresent your position, then pretend like I'm "Asking the tough questions." Grow up. Odin.Zicdeh said: » Plus no taxes for the working class.  IRS beat you to it (see box 7). *Disclaimer* This was the best looking 1099-B I could find in an image file.... Odin.Zicdeh said: » Typical conservative attitude. I'm going to misrepresent your position, then pretend like I'm "Asking the tough questions." Grow up. But good job deflecting the issue. (inb4 "quit putting words in my mouth" argument again) Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Typical conservative attitude. I'm going to misrepresent your position, then pretend like I'm "Asking the tough questions." Grow up. But good job deflecting the issue. (inb4 "quit putting words in my mouth" argument again) The only issue is the one you artificially created, but thanks for playing the game, I needed a good laugh. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » More energy wasted in the wrong place IMO, I'm unsure as to the origins of this particular form of misanthropy, but it just serves as more evidence that liberals would rather spread the misery of an awful economy rather than enable prosperity through opportunity. Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » More energy wasted in the wrong place IMO, I'm unsure as to the origins of this particular form of misanthropy, but it just serves as more evidence that liberals would rather spread the misery of an awful economy rather than enable prosperity through opportunity. Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » First off, they don't run anything. Secondly they've passed numerous bills out of the house that the senate has tabled. It's really funny when Liberals blame the "do nothing republicans" when they literally don't control any of the three branches. Just another mechanism to portray Obama as powerless. Nice try, but its factual that this is the least productive House ever under Boehner's leadership. And the partisan bills they have passed have indeed died their deserved death, not a single good partisan bill has come from the House. Ready for another GOP shutdown next month? Its gonna happen. And its going to be really funny watching you try to blame Obama again. Shiva.Viciousss said: » Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. the stock market is up 81% in the last five years so... somebody is doing something for someone right....
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. the stock market is up 81% in the last five years so... somebody is doing something for someone right.... It's because of Obama. Or do we not get to say any loosely related corresponding events in time are Obama's fault if they could be seen as positive? I forgot the Obama rules again. Shiva.Viciousss said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » First off, they don't run anything. Secondly they've passed numerous bills out of the house that the senate has tabled. It's really funny when Liberals blame the "do nothing republicans" when they literally don't control any of the three branches. Just another mechanism to portray Obama as powerless. Nice try, but its factual that this is the least productive House ever under Boehner's leadership. And the partisan bills they have passed have indeed died their deserved death, not a single good partisan bill has come from the House. Ready for another GOP shutdown next month? Its gonna happen. And its going to be really funny watching you try to blame Obama again. Right, being conservative = partisan. Being Liberal = not partisan because reasons.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. the stock market is up 81% in the last five years so... somebody is doing something for someone right.... It's because of Obama. Or do we not get to say any loosely related corresponding events in time are Obama's fault if they could be seen as positive? I forgot the Obama rules again. if it's good news we ignore it and keep fighting over whose fault the bad things are. Neither Liberal or Conservative are partisan. They're sweeping categories. Democrat and Republican are the words you're looking for.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » First off, they don't run anything. Secondly they've passed numerous bills out of the house that the senate has tabled. It's really funny when Liberals blame the "do nothing republicans" when they literally don't control any of the three branches. Just another mechanism to portray Obama as powerless. Nice try, but its factual that this is the least productive House ever under Boehner's leadership. And the partisan bills they have passed have indeed died their deserved death, not a single good partisan bill has come from the House. Ready for another GOP shutdown next month? Its gonna happen. And its going to be really funny watching you try to blame Obama again. Right, being conservative = partisan. Being Liberal = not partisan because reasons. Thats not what I said at all. Partisan = 1 party's support. Does that really need to be explained? Odin.Zicdeh said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » Too bad it doesn't trump the fact that conservatives prefer to do nothing about the economy, as seen by their elected officials in Washington. Nice try tho. You guys really suck at labeling. the stock market is up 81% in the last five years so... somebody is doing something for someone right.... It's because of Obama. Or do we not get to say any loosely related corresponding events in time are Obama's fault if they could be seen as positive? I forgot the Obama rules again. And Quantitative Easing.... Because be prepared to see up to half of the stock market lose it's value almost immediately after the QE gravy train stops running. Cerberus.Tikal said: » Neither Liberal or Conservative are partisan. They're sweeping categories. Democrat and Republican are the words you're looking for. every time someone says partisan I think of this guy  Stjepan_Stevo Filipović Yugoslavian Partisan
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awesome, but he probably just should have kept quiet & waited for the russians.
Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Leviathan.Chaosx said: » How do you escape debt slavery from a debt based economy? On the topic of slavery: Here is a good source on other methods of resistance, including escaping. One author estimates that the number of escaped slaves exceeded 100k. Since there was no actual recordkeeping of the number of escaped slaves, we will never know how many of them actually escaped. It is very possible that the number of escaped slaves were never recorded to prevent statistics from going between slaves to see that not only is it possible, but highly likely that escape would be successful. The best way to keep people in line is to limit their knowledge of the environment they live in. Dude, if you choose to keep digging, people will continue to hound you mercilessly. Stop posting random crap to try and validate your misstep. They say that the first step of correcting a problem is to acknowledge it exists in the first place.... It's more like, "move on so you can say something else that's moronic and we can all laugh at you for that". Gotta keep things fresh. I completely believe that you have a business degree. I also believe that you know more about businesses than I do. I even added sarcasm tags for you to realize the stupidity of both statements. Like most things, reality doesn't require you to believe for it to be real. Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Leviathan.Chaosx said: » How do you escape debt slavery from a debt based economy? On the topic of slavery: Here is a good source on other methods of resistance, including escaping. One author estimates that the number of escaped slaves exceeded 100k. Since there was no actual recordkeeping of the number of escaped slaves, we will never know how many of them actually escaped. It is very possible that the number of escaped slaves were never recorded to prevent statistics from going between slaves to see that not only is it possible, but highly likely that escape would be successful. The best way to keep people in line is to limit their knowledge of the environment they live in. Dude, if you choose to keep digging, people will continue to hound you mercilessly. Stop posting random crap to try and validate your misstep. They say that the first step of correcting a problem is to acknowledge it exists in the first place.... It's more like, "move on so you can say something else that's moronic and we can all laugh at you for that". Gotta keep things fresh. I completely believe that you have a business degree. I also believe that you know more about businesses than I do. I even added sarcasm tags for you to realize the stupidity of both statements. Like most things, reality doesn't require you to believe for it to be real. For you, the reality is that you don't have a business degree nor understand business practices, that is exactly what you just said. Good counter! Keep those up! Reality is that I can see the degree as I'm typing this, it's framed and hanging on my wall. It doesn't require your belief to validate it. And whether you agree with my assessments or tactics in business is irrelevant, as I'm the one with the business degree and you're an accountant. You're the kind of guy that argues with the mechanic about what's wrong with your car because you don't like his answer, that doesn't make you right, it makes you a dumbass.
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Odin.Jassik said: » Reality is that I can see the degree as I'm typing this, it's framed and hanging on my wall. It doesn't require your belief to validate it. Odin.Jassik said: » You're the kind of guy that argues with the mechanic about what's wrong with your car because you don't like his answer, that doesn't make you right, it makes you a dumbass. It must be a headtrip to be so smug while being such a tard.
Odin.Jassik said: » Reality is that I can see the degree as I'm typing this, it's framed and hanging on my wall. It doesn't require your belief to validate it. And whether you agree with my assessments or tactics in business is irrelevant, as I'm the one with the business degree and you're an accountant. You're the kind of guy that argues with the mechanic about what's wrong with your car because you don't like his answer, that doesn't make you right, it makes you a dumbass. Oh c'mon, like you not any microscopic bit of the troll you think he is...
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