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By fonewear 2015-06-29 15:50:13
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I should start a petition on change.org or something similar for large amount of amphetamines to be dumped into public water supplies.

First you got to get the fluoride out of the tap water that kills millions of people a year !

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-29 15:54:01
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Are homosexual couples somehow "not qualified" to be parents? If so, what would make them unilaterally unqualified?

I'll take the bait. Maybe the church believes that homosexual couples aren't the preferred suit to parenthood.

Why are they not allowed to think that and practice business according to their beliefs?
Why would they believe that though? Is it based on actual experience with the matter at hand where they can point out that homosexual couples do not foster proper growth in an individual or is it just something that god told them not to let happen at some point?

They can think whatever they want but don't expect anyone to take them all that seriously if their reasoning is "god". If you can show that these parents would not be able to provide a loving and nurturing home then fine. If you flat out decline an application before they even walk through the door for no other reason than "gay" there is a problem. I'm not particularly sure what part the church serves as a function to facilitate these adoptions so I can't say for sure how their participation would be affected and I'd have to read up more on it.

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They take government money, that's why.
So what? You'd rather keep kids in foster care?
Isn't that what they allow to happen? I mean you're literally rejecting possible candidates right away and what could be a good home based on predjudice alone it seems. Sorry kiddo you have to wait til some hetero parents want you.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-29 15:55:41
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fonewear said: »
First you got to get the fluoride out of the tap water that kills millions of people a year !
Nah, we need that for population control.
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By fonewear 2015-06-29 16:02:18
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We knew this was coming Polygamy Now: I love the smell of my multiple wives in the morning !

TLDR: Slippery slope argument.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/gay-marriage-decision-polygamy-119469.html?ml=po#.VZGyI0aLVQI
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-29 16:26:43
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-29 16:29:32
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Obama signs away what little America had left.

Obama signs trade bills into law, says tough battle still ahead
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-29 16:30:36
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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Odin.Jassik said: »
They take government money, that's why.
So what? You'd rather keep kids in foster care?

No, I'd rather maintain the integrity of the first amendment. For someone who waxes on so much about the constitution, you sure do overlook a lot of it.

Oh right, thanks for opening my eyes Mr. "libertarian". <rolls eyes>

That's exactly the purpose of religious freedom, your interpretation is objectively wrong. The government cannot be connected to religious establishments in that way without passively endorsing their views. I'm sure you'd have a problem with a Muslim organization taking tax dollars and using it to fund unlawful and discriminatory practices.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-29 16:37:08
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fonewear said: »
We knew this was coming Polygamy Now: I love the smell of my multiple wives in the morning !

TLDR: Slippery slope argument.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/gay-marriage-decision-polygamy-119469.html?ml=po#.VZGyI0aLVQI

I can't wait to see the internet battles that ensue as this issue comes more into focus.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-29 22:42:08
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A string of churches with predominantly black congregations – from Florida to Tennessee -- has reported fires in the past week, officials say.

The circumstances surrounding the six fires in five states differ in each case, but their occurring in the past eight days has prompted closer scrutiny.

So far only two of the six cases are being investigated as arson, and federal authorities have not launched any official hate crime investigations.

Arson was a notable problem for black churches in the mid-1990s and prompted then-President Bill Clinton to push for the creation of the Church Arson Prevention Act in 1996, though a related U.S. Department of Justice task force was suspended at the end of his second term.

This week's fires come amid a tense time in some Southern cities after a shooting by an alleged racist at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina, left nine dead. The result has been a push for the removal of the Confederate flag from several state Capitols amid reignited debates over the region's racial history.

A senior official from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said they have special agents, certified fire investigators, looking into the different fires.

"At this time, ATF has not determined the fires are related. We are still determining origin and cause so we cannot say all are arson," the official told ABC News.

The ATF is also reportedly checking the fires against its Bomb Arson Tracking System to see whether there are any commonalities among the fires.

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, a hate group-monitoring organization, said only three of the six fires appear to be true cases of arson. And while those three -- in Tennessee, Georgia and North Carolina -- may have been intentionally set, he said he believes it's unlikely they were done in an organized and unified fashion.

"I think it's very unlikely,in terms of a conspiracy," he told ABC News.

"It's entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that some of these churches were attacked because of all that's happened in the past three weeks," Potok said in reference to the debate over the continued use of the Confederate battle flag.

The first fire was reported at the College Hill Seventh Day Adventist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, on Sunday, June 21. Stacks of hay and soil were placed against the church's metal doors and set on fire, according to ABC affiliate WATE-TV.

"I see this and I think of an intention to try to destroy this entire church," Pastor Cleveland Hobdy III told WATE.

Knoxville Police Department spokesman Darrell DeBusk told WATE that it has been deemed an incident of vandalism and not a hate crime because, in most hate crime cases, the suspect leaves a message or indication of the reason behind the attack and no such mention was found in this case.

The second church was in Georgia two days later, and Macon Bibb County Fire Chief Marvin Riggins told station WMAZ that it was suspicious and is being investigated as an arson.

Fruitland Presbyterian Church in Gibson County, Tennessee, was also set on fire that same day and officials have not released any updates about the investigation, nor did they immediately return ABC News' calls. Fire Chief Bryan Cathey told ABC affiliate WBBJ-TV that there were some questions about whether it was an accidental fire because residents recalled there being several lightning strikes in the area around the time of the fire.

The fourth fire burned down a portion of the Briar Creek Road Baptist Church in east Charlotte, North Carolina, in the early morning hours of June 24, and investigators immediately classified it as arson.

"We completed our work on the scene and determined this was intentionally set," Charlotte Fire Department senior investigator David Williams told The Associated Press of the $250,000 worth of damage.

The investigations into the final two churches that reported fires Friday June 26 are still underway and their respective cause has not yet been determined. Both the state law enforcement agency and the FBI are looking into the Glover Grove Missionary Baptist Church fire in Warrenville, South Carolina, according to the AP.

Further south, the state fire agency is also looking into the blaze at Greater Miracle Temple in Tallahassee, Florida, that caused an estimated $700,000 in damage early Friday morning, according to the Tallahassee Democrat.

No injuries were reported at any of the fires.
String of Fires at 6 Predominantly Black Churches Scrutinized
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By Enuyasha 2015-06-29 23:03:13
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Honestly, the only reason Polygamy isnt legal is because its a legal nightmare in a handbasket. How do you do divorce in 50/50 states? Do each of the sister wives get half of the other wives half?

How does one operate marriage taxes? Would you exclude the other wives and just go off taxes of just a single marriage?

The list goes on and on and on...

Now, the other arguments for the slippery slope are pedophilia and bestiality will soon be legal: Which is hilarious since like, those are socially unacceptable on so many more levels than just religious ones.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-06-29 23:11:31
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Jetackuu said: »
Need more infrastructure spending.

Like maybe a big pipeline?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-29 23:25:56
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Need more infrastructure spending.

Like maybe a big pipeline?

Yeah, a few thousand short term jobs to help Canadian energy companies sell oil to China. That'll fix those crumbling bridges and millions out of work.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-06-29 23:31:53
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All infrastructure jobs are short term jobs.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-29 23:47:34
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
All infrastructure jobs are short term jobs.

Not even remotely true, unless you're talking ONLY about construction. Even then, why not construct things that contribute to OUR interests rather than some multi-national energy conglomerate?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-06-30 00:16:39
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More Pipeline boogeyman lies. At least we are over the environmental impact lies. The pipeline is a good thing for America and American companies; American companies with American workers that all pay American taxes.

And it's not a choice between the pipeline and other infrastructure projects, but this is in fact a very good infrastructure project that is irrationally rejected outright by lunatics on the left.

Infrastructure jobs are short term.

Crumbling bridges? Yep short term.

If you are worried about millions of people out of work then you should request that your President not negotiate like a complete pussy when he is doing trade deals.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-30 00:18:50
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I miss our little talks. I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-06-30 00:28:48
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Taunts by your third post. Giving up already? That's the lightweight I remember. Good night. I am 100% certain I know where to find you tomorrow if I am bored again.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-30 00:49:35
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Forget the U.S.S.A. it's now the U.S.S.F., United Socialist States of Feels.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-30 00:51:18
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Enuyasha said: »
Honestly, the only reason Polygamy isnt legal is because its a legal nightmare in a handbasket. How do you do divorce in 50/50 states? Do each of the sister wives get half of the other wives half?

How does one operate marriage taxes? Would you exclude the other wives and just go off taxes of just a single marriage?

The list goes on and on and on...

Now, the other arguments for the slippery slope are pedophilia and bestiality will soon be legal: Which is hilarious since like, those are socially unacceptable on so many more levels than just religious ones.

As far as polygamy goes, part of the "slippery slope" argument is that human rights trump logistics. Quoting Fonewear's article,

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Another common argument, and another unsatisfying one, is logistical. In this telling, polygamous marriages would strain the infrastructure of our legal systems of marriage, as they are not designed to handle marriage between more than two people. In particular, the claim is frequently made that the division of property upon divorce or death would be too complicated for polygamous marriages. I find this argument eerily reminiscent of similar efforts to dismiss same-sex marriage on practical grounds. (The forms say husband and wife! What do you want us to do, print new forms?) Logistics, it should go without saying, are insufficient reason to deny human beings human rights.

If current legal structures and precedents aren’t conducive to group marriage, then they will be built in time. The comparison to traditional marriage is again instructive. We have, after all, many decades of case law and legal organization dedicated to marriage, and yet divorce and family courts feature some of the most bitterly contested cases imaginable. Complication and dispute are byproducts of human relationships and human commitment. We could, as a civil society, create a legal expectation that those engaging in a group marriage create binding documents and contracts that clearly delineate questions of inheritance, alimony, and the like. Prenups are already a thing.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-30 01:02:18
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I can't see a way to guarantee protections for parties involved in that kind of union, though I can't say I have a personal objection to it. I don't see how you could argue that polygamy is a basic human right, but I guess lots of people probably said that about same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, and consensual marriage respectively.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-06-30 01:32:11
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Another aid ship to the blockaded Gaza Strip intercepted by the IDF:

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A Swedish ship bound for the Gaza Strip carrying 18 pro-Palestinian activists and humanitarian aid was seized by Israeli forces early Monday morning.

Those on board the MV Marianne, part of Freedom Flotilla III — which departed from Greece on Saturday to protest and break through the maritime blockade near the Gaza Strip — included politicians, such as a former president of Tunisia, as well as activists and journalists from around the world.

Israeli military officials boarded the vessel and assumed control of it after the captain refused their requests to change course, according to a statement from the Israel Defense Forces. It adds the interception was "uneventful" and did not require the use of force.

Freedom Flotilla organizers who were not on the ship tweeted Monday afternoon that the MV Marianne had arrived at Ashdod Port, and that all sailors were in "good health," although they claim one of them was tasered by Israeli authorities.

"Once again, the Israeli government and its military has acted like state pirates and attacked our boat in international waters," Petros Stergiou, a spokesperson for the flotilla, told Al Jazeera. Stergiou said the group lost contact with the ship around 2 am local time Monday as three military vessels advanced toward it.

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Much to Israel's dismay, many aid groups have tried to reach the Gaza strip by sea to deliver supplies and protest the Israeli blockade and embargo on supplies to Gaza, which activists say violates international human rights.

Israel imposed the blockade after Hamas gained more power from the Palestinian Authority in 2007.

The Freedom Flotilla III's latest attempt to break the blockade prompted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office to release an indignant letter to those on board.

"Welcome to Israel," it reads. "You seem to have gotten lost. Perhaps you meant to sail to a place not far from here — Syria, where Assad's army is slaughtering its people every day, and is supported by the murderous Iranian regime...you are welcome to transfer any humanitarian supplies for the Gaza Strip through Israel." He reportedly gave copies of the letter to military officials so they could distribute them by hand to those on board.

In 2010, Israeli troops stormed the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish ship which was part of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, and opened fire on the passengers on deck, killing nine of them. Hundreds of other passengers were arrested.

The government of Israel apologized in 2013 for its "operational mistakes" during that raid, and a compensation deal between Israel and Turkey is still in the works.

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-30 03:46:20
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People Who Don’t Want Kids Are Really Smart
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 06:10:09
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Or...infertile !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-30 06:16:31
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Infertile people tend to want kids even more, sometimes going to great lengths.
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 06:19:11
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Infertile people tend to want kids even more, sometimes going to great lengths.

Like paying someone like me to impregnate their wife/girlfriend ?

I'd do it for free just to have a story to tell!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-30 06:54:28
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That's a completely unsubstantiated claim.
It's neither more, nor less than fertile people wanting them, it's just that having to use different means they stand out, so to speak.

Also not wanting them is not a sign of intelligence, it's a lifechoice and nothing more.
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-30 07:06:28
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Another aid ship to the blockaded Gaza Strip intercepted by the IDF:
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-30 07:07:25
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Need more infrastructure spending.

Like maybe a big pipeline?
I meant ones that make sense, and wouldn't destroy the environment. But good try, good try.

Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
All infrastructure jobs are short term jobs.

Not even remotely true, even if they are, it still stimulates the economy.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-30 07:17:56
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The EPA ruling is a temporary setback at best, the Court reaffirmed the EPA's right to regulate mercury, and considering the order was issued 3 years ago and many factories have already complied or begun to comply, I don't even know why the Court heard the case. All the EPA has to do is re-issue the exact same rule.

It's the precedent that worries me.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-30 07:20:00
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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The gay marriage attention did draw from the passing of the fast track for the TPP. But, nobody seems to give a crap about jobs or the economy, despite it being their key concern when voting for the next president to screw them on both.
Two countries about to go bankrupt, Greece and Puerto Rico, manufacturing industry in recession, Turkey fighting Kurds in Syria while $500 million spent training less than 100 'moderate rebels', TPP - allowing corporation to bypass any nation's law and sue any government, there's a few more things I've temporary forgotten, but nope let's talk about gay marriage.

The people deserve what they get for not paying any attention and doing nothing.

Forget putting fluoride in the water, they need to put ADD drugs in the water. At least it's better than mercury.

I agree, but here's the thing.

How much of this stuff can the average American really connect to or feel like they can influence?

With social issues at least they're seeing results and/or something they (think) they can rally against successfully.

A distraction from bigger issues? For sure.

But that's the way it always is.
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