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Random Politics & Religion #00
 Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-05-04 12:33:47
Did someone drop a hornets' nest in FFXI's collective underwear over the weekend or what? If I said yes, and it was me who did it, will I get in trouble?
Cause if that's the case, then no.
I question your motives and judgment at times, it's true.
But I don't think you'd put a hornets' nest in your own britches.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-04 12:43:27
Now that flower head's last thread is locked, expect another one to show it's ugly face.
If he's smart, he would make it about a different topic than the ones that got locked....
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-05-04 12:47:20
It took you two days to figure that out really >.>
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-04 12:48:35
It took you two days to figure that out really >.> I pretty much guessed it on the 3rd post.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-04 12:53:21
What is "flower head" supposed to even mean kingnoobie?
In order for a nickname to catch on it has to make sense to more than one person...
Are you saying he is a hippy?
Because that doesn't even make any sense.
Were you trying to say his head was full of "Flour"
Did I miss a day? Because I don't see anyone else referring to him that way...
Please select from the following list of approved nicknames
"LOLgrim"
"Grimey" - from the Simpsons episode
and "***"
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2015-05-04 12:57:43
Aelius sees all.
By fonewear 2015-05-04 13:00:33
What is "flower head" supposed to even mean kingnoobie?
In order for a nickname to catch on it has to make sense to more than one person...
Are you saying he is a hippy?
Because that doesn't even make any sense.
Were you trying to say his head was full of "Flour"
Did I miss a day? Because I don't see anyone else referring to him that way...
Please select from the following list of approved nicknames
"LOLgrim"
"Grimey" - from the Simpsons episode
and "***"
Grimey: I eat like a slob but no one cares cause I'm Homer Simpson
Homer: Yea you wish !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-04 13:01:53
and then he chases it, batting it around the floor and then pouncing on it like his jungle cat ancestors and then he does that yoga cat pose where he wiggles his butt in the air then he jumps really high in the air for no reason....
and then he gets bored and cleans himself in the window sill
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-05-04 13:06:13
and then he chases it, batting it around the floor and then pouncing on it like his jungle cat ancestors and then he does that yoga cat pose where he wiggles his butt in the air then he jumps really high in the air for no reason....
and then he gets bored and cleans himself in the window sill 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-04 13:11:02
What is "flower head" supposed to even mean kingnoobie?
In order for a nickname to catch on it has to make sense to more than one person...
Are you saying he is a hippy?
Because that doesn't even make any sense.
Were you trying to say his head was full of "Flour" .
Long story short, it signifies that he has ***for brains (therefor, flowers growing on his head).
Did I miss a day? Because I don't see anyone else referring to him that way... Lots of people refer to him as flower head in one way or another.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-04 13:11:45
/tosses a ball of yarn the other direction.
 Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-05-04 13:15:35
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-04 13:16:00
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To the notion of personal responsibility, I'll ask again since you elected to not answer:
"Are you responsible for the fact that I don't have the antibodies to something you may have already gotten over?"
Is it part of your moral code to not get anyone else sick ever? Do you even think that it's possible to do that? Live a life in which you never pass a microbe to anyone else? The answer of course which you're too scared to say is "No, of course not, Nausi. That's pretty unreasonable."
If you knowingly endanger others (as in travel when you know you are contaigious), that is a choice you have made to put their welfare below your travel plans.
There is a vast difference from unknowingly traveling with an illiness while you are contagious. To intentionally traveling while sick.
You're dodging. You knowingly have viruses, bacteria, fungi, and other such microbes that other people will get sick from on your person 100% of the time. Get the flu shot? That doesn't mean you still can't pass alone someone else's flu germs. On top of that, even if you are sick, it doesn't mean you'll get someone else sick. "Personal responsibility" does not mean never shaking someone's hand for fear of exposing them to yourself.
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To the other point where you take a "chain of command" reference and grossly misapply it so it gives you something to freak out about. What are you saying, that because I think military officers are ultimately responsible for actions of their subordinates, it therefore means that no one in Baltimore is justified in rioting?
Biggest strawman ever. WOW! I thought Flavin couldn't be topped, but there we go. Congrats, you're my new favorite!
Your "chain of command" reference was not taken out of context. The entire conversation was about "authority" (specifically CDC somehow in charge of hospitals) and you chose to use a military example.
For that matter "just following orders" has not been a legally justified excuse for a long time.
Talk about strawman. I never said any of this drival. You are the one claiming the Democrat party is the one responsible for all the problems. Since you forgot what you wrote:
1st, the "chain of command" was taken entirely out of context. Military and/or hospital authority in no way relates to the rioters in Baltimore.
2nd, it's not a straw man when I turn around and ask you if you mean X by your statement. I'm asking you to clarify your position.
Somehow the problem is that cities "under democrat rule" are this way because of the political party involved.
To this point, I will say, the reason the poor black folk in Baltimore have been ***on for the last 50 years is because they keep electing the same people ( democrats) who keep shitting on them back into office. To the extent that this is something that could only happen with democrats, it is. Black people monolithicly vote democrat, they never vote Republican. If they monolithicly voted republican it might possibly happen with republicans too but it doesn't so it's entirely wrong to place this at the feet of any other party but the democrats.
Because -Ishtar forbid- you hold a cop responsible for their actions.
Never seen him say the cop should not be held responsible. Just sayin.... He has stated on multiple occassions that he's ok with cops "getting even" with suspects, arrestees, etc.
Again a mis characterization. I spoke of an incident in Providence where a suspect came in and shot one of the cops interrogating him, then jumped out the 3rd floor window and ran off downtown. When the cops caught him, they beat the ***outta him. In that specific case and in those under similar circumstances I am content to look the other way. People should be afraid to murder cops.
How you turn that into the blanket statement of "he's ok with cops "getting even" with suspects and arrestees" is just wrong.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-04 13:19:36
Please see Nausi's last paragraph
Nausi said: I couldn't care less about any of them because they all vote democrat.
and of course maybe that's just the way I read it...
The funny part is we (the republican party) don't even run candidates in a lot of these cities anymore because all of our constituents fled like rats from a sinking ship to the suburbs.
The key to suburban prosperity and keeping all the poor people out is to move just beyond the reach of public transportation.
Once you get outside the outer belt and there are no buses..
boom. no poor people milling about looking for ***to break and steal.
and let me just state once again for the record that nobody is more guilty of this than me
I admit it! I got while the getting was good and I yelled SUCKERS!!! out of the window of my moving van as I sped out of the city.
Oh yeah, when I was young I love living in the city!!! <Insert FEAR - "I love living in the city" here>
I'm never going to move out to the suburbs like those other fat douchebags no way! I'm keeping it real homies... I'm living dangerously... Ah yeah nothing like living in the heart of <insert newborn baby cry here followed by doctor butt slap sound followed by home invasion style break ins on the neighbors on both sides and then a long screech of rubber as my moving van tears *** off the curb>
*** this, we are out of here jack <changes lyric to I Love Living in The Suburbs>
I got the hell out of Dodge baby and I aint never going back.
Sure it's chock full of *** that all leave their houses like clockwork and create huge traffic jams.... but just smell that freshly cut grass <sniffs deeply> ahhhh!
and *** all those poor people. they're all lazy anyways.
Look the music stopped in the city and everybody scrambled for a chair in the suburbs and the fast people all got them and the slow people can suck it.... should have moved faster granny /knocks her over leaving
And we moved everything we liked about living in the city out to the suburbs with us! all the restaurants and movie theaters and our offices.
*** the city, it's dirty and corrupt and so we took all the good stuff and left all the bad WHOOHOOOO!
and then we mooned them, mockingly slapping our bare white *** in their faces.
I got mine, and if you didn't get yours then TOO DAMN BAD better luck in the next life ***. I never really liked you anyways
and it's ok to laugh at them and mock them that's great
but don't sit there with a surprised look on your face like
What in the hell is the matter with those uppity negroes thugs!?
You know, at least you make it obvious when you misrepresent someone else's views.
My hat's off to you today.
 Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-04 13:21:53
Black people monolithicly vote democrat, they never vote Republican. ***.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-04 13:25:49
Black people monolithicly vote democrat, they never vote Republican. ***. What 10%? Please tell me you didn't think I meant that literally.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-04 13:32:42
Black people monolithicly vote democrat, they never vote Republican. ***. What 10%? Please tell me you didn't think I meant that literally. Thanks to you, we have a truck-driving dinosaur tossing grenades to cause earthquakes meme.
I can't rely on *not* taking what you say literally.
You could say *currently*, because historically, they used to be pretty fairly distributed towards both political parties. Up until around the civil rights movement.
If you want to get an idea of maybe why that changed, here's a good start.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-04 13:39:34
never shaking someone's hand for fear of exposing them to yourself. There's a significant difference between shaking someone's hand in a normal circumstance and then shaking someone's hand when you have the flu or some other such sickness. If people stopped touching eachother when they were sick others would get sick a lot less lol...
So when there was that ebola outbreak you were ok with people from the infected areas coming in because, you know, it's not my fault if you catch my ebola!
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Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-04 13:46:56
People should be afraid to murder cops. People should not want to murder anyone... The idea that we should put more focus on criminals or would be criminals being afraid to murder cops than regular citizens is ludicrous. I understand why it is the way it is but yeah...
Cops are supposed to uphold the law not break it. The job is tough undoubtedly but you're still supposed to enforce the law as it is not take the law into your own hands by doing whatever you think is just. The system is supposed to be better than the criminals.
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By EpicFantasy 2015-05-04 13:50:58
People should not want to murder anyone...
Flavin has spoken. The world is now at peace. No need for cops because criminals no longer exists.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-04 13:54:50
"Personal responsibility" does not mean never shaking someone's hand for fear of exposing them to yourself.
Personal responsibility is not about not doing something. It's everything about accepting the responsibility for what you do.
Now, we are supposed to encourage people to act in a generally responsible manner, because that makes life as a society/civilization tenable. Things such as not shitting or tossing garbage in the freshwater supply, covering orifices to reduce spray when sneezing, using proper equipment when entering isolation wards.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-05-04 13:55:08
People should not want to murder anyone...
Flavin has spoken. The world is now at peace. No need for cops because criminals no longer exists. People should not want to murder anyone...
Can we not agree that what he's saying is the proper ideal, if not the reality?
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-04 13:55:35
Flavin has spoken. The world is now at peace. No need for cops because criminals no longer exists. Nevermind, I don't even want to know.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-05-04 13:59:38
Things such as not shitting or tossing garbage in the freshwater supply
God dammit, Mil. NOW you tell me! Now how am I supposed to dispose of my refuse?
Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-05-04 14:04:31
You're dodging. You knowingly have viruses, bacteria, fungi, and other such microbes that other people will get sick from on your person 100% of the time. Get the flu shot? That doesn't mean you still can't pass alone someone else's flu germs. On top of that, even if you are sick, it doesn't mean you'll get someone else sick. "Personal responsibility" does not mean never shaking someone's hand for fear of exposing them to yourself.
No, I'm not dodging.
If you know you are contaigious and you willfully travel because of travel plans, you are knowingly endangering others.
It is a choice you have made.
Yet, in your mind, you should not be responsible for that choice.
Personal responsibility is accepting that your actions have consequences and accepting responsiblity for those actions.
It doesn't mean you will never cause harm to others. That is beyond unrealistic. It means you accept responsiblity for the harm you do cause.
Quote: 1st, the "chain of command" was taken entirely out of context. Military and/or hospital authority in no way relates to the rioters in Baltimore.
2nd, it's not a straw man when I turn around and ask you if you mean X by your statement. I'm asking you to clarify your position.
Your chain of command argument is not legally viable. It hasn't been for several hundred years.
I think the rioters should be held responsible for their actions. Those who are looting are idiots and hurting those who are trying to get a discussion started.
Quote: To this point, I will say, the reason the poor black folk in Baltimore have been ***on for the last 50 years is because they keep electing the same people (democrats) who keep shitting on them back into office. To the extent that this is something that could only happen with democrats, it is. Black people monolithicly vote democrat, they never vote Republican. If they monolithicly voted republican it might possibly happen with republicans too but it doesn't so it's entirely wrong to place this at the feet of any other party but the democrats.
I don't even know how to respond to this. There are systemic issues in Baltimore that goes way beyond red vs blue ideology
Quote: Again a mis characterization. I spoke of an incident in Providence where a suspect came in and shot one of the cops interrogating him, then jumped out the 3rd floor window and ran off downtown. When the cops caught him, they beat the ***outta him. In that specific case and in those under similar circumstances I am content to look the other way. People should be afraid to murder cops.
How you turn that into the blanket statement of "he's ok with cops "getting even" with suspects and arrestees" is just wrong.
I have issue with the word "excessive", I lived in Providence RI for a few years, during that time some mentally handicapped young adult, wrestled a gun from a cop and shot him inside the station while he was being questioned. The guy then jumped from the 2nd or 3rd story window and ran into the city a bit before practically the whole station tracked him down and brought him back.
The next time the public saw the kid he had the ***kicked out of him. Clearly done by the cops when they got him back. Was that excessive? You bet. Did the kid die? Not even close. Did he deserve it? You bet! I have next to zero issue with the cops kicking the ***out of a threat to their own, and these threats can come from anywhere. If I am ever pulled over I turn on all cabin lights, put my hands on the wheel and immediately inform the officer if I am carrying my fire arm at that time, as a courtesy to them. Cops do not have the rights to assault a suspect in their custody. It is against the law. You should be pissed at them for doing it because of the civil suits that will always follow and your tax dollars that will end up in that persons pocket or his family's pocket.
That you give them the go ahead to just beat the ***out of people is just ridiculous.
This has nothing to do with ideals vs. the real world. Its about police officers engaging in illegal activities and then getting away with it. If they've already subdued a person and then they just start beating on them after that it not just wrong Nausi it's illegal whether or not you can justify it in your head for them. What I'm saying is, and what should be clear to anyone with any type of common sense, is that this man did nothing to deserve the action taken by the police. Since when do we need 6 officers choking and pinning down one guy causing his death because he was seeling loose cigarettes? No he was not fully cooperating with the officers but he was not hostile either. He neither attacked nor did do anythign else that required the use of that kind of force.
Why won't you address that the officer used a technique that is not supposed to be used by NYPD officers? Why will you make every excuse possible for the police officer and make every judgement against the person who was killed?
To the bolded above, when the suspect is almost a foot taller than you and weighs 350 pounds. I'm sorry that you cannot relate to the thresholds of force that the cops use, but they make sense, and they aren't racist.
The person was breaking the law. When people break the law, cops should stop the lawlessness. Right? They attempted to move the guy along peacefully, he wasn't receptive to that. What do you expect cops to do when suspects don't comply, say please? You really come across as someone who thinks there is a peaceful solution to everything and the cops failed their job because they couldn't find it.
This man contributed to his own death, he had numerous health problems and he resisted arrest. He put himself in the situation where the cops had to restrain him.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-04 14:06:15
Things such as not shitting or tossing garbage in the freshwater supply
God dammit, Mil. NOW you tell me! Now how am I supposed to dispose of my refuse? Cover your orifices?
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