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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-02-14 10:20:17
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I don't believe recess appointments work for the supreme court.

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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-02-14 10:27:10
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They do, Eisenhower was the last to do it, and he used it 3 times.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 12:47:05
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
that the best you got?

Vic and candlejack have no clue what is going on. All they have is insults, hypocrisy, and lies.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-02-14 13:33:28
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For an example of President Obama going full retard on the Supreme Court nominee, I saw the name Janet Napolitano floated as a leading candidate.

Yeah. Forget about that happening.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 13:37:49
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The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 15:15:32
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Any bets on if congress calls an emergency session to address special topics this week..?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 15:32:12
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Funny how lots of liberals seem to have trouble reading the constitution all of a sudden.

Actually what am I talking about "all of a sudden"?
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-02-14 17:09:49
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Altimaomega said: »
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
It's genuinely upsetting that your perception and level of awareness doesn't go beyond Facebook images and clickbait. I have no interest in labeling anyone here a racist, since I don't know any of you people personally, but you really ought to think over what you said and try to pay attention to what the people who have voted for Obama are saying now and then, rather than the people who are bitching about his victories.
I rarely do Facebook and gather my opinions from everywhere, anyone can see that you do not. It is sad that you cannot think past the whole racist mindset and see things for what they are.

Everywhere? I'm struggling to believe you've ever left your comfort zone and had to question your own position and perspective. I'm trying giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're throwing it on the ground. "Seeing things as they are" includes observing that there is institutional racism, sexism, etc, which gives, on the whole, white males an advantage. How can you not notice that movies, shows, and video games are not made with the white guys in mind? How can you not notice that high ranking government positions and the heads of most companies are white guys? How can you ignore that white kids get let off the hook for all kinds of ***that a black kid would get arrested for? This is a deeply sown cultural issue and if you're going to say something as super *** stupid as:
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I'm saying they can't name his running mate 99% of the time. I'm saying they couldn't tell you what the house and senate are even for. I'm saying they could name 5 celebrities but not 5 congressman. I'm saying they think the Government is something that gives them free stuff and they want more of it. I'm saying they don't care at all about the bill of rights. I could go on and on about things they don't know and don't care about. So you tell me are these people intelligent, are they voting because of Obamas policies and accomplishments?
is racist as hell because you're assuming, you don't even attempt to understand these people in the slightest, and automatically attribute their decision to being as simple as them being black. You seriously should try reading and listening to what minorities are saying instead of being satisfied with close-minded rhetoric.

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many of which I would definitely call accomplishments.
Would you care to point them out? or is it easier just to toss out a bunch of feces and hope some of it sticks to the wall..?
- ARRA jumpstarted the economy and helped the country out of the recession.
- *** all you want, but the ACA is a net gain. It's not perfect, but most of the problems with health care extend more into the industry than the regulation. Even the "tax for not having insurance" can be avoided with exemptions and tax credits based around your income, the poverty level, and other exemption status.
- Repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell
- Repealed the ban on federal funding on stem cell research
- Regulated large banks, credit cards, hedge funds, and insurance companies with Dodd-Frank
- Ended military involvement in Iraq. If you cite this as the cause for ISIS's rise, then you're wrong; ISIS would've been slipping in at some capacity even if we remained, mostly inspired by our presence there in the first place.
- Ordered the military operation that got bin Laden

Should I keep going, or can you just try to do some independent learning?

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Regarding the debt, you can look at it a few different ways: One, which you're doing, simply take the debt when he entered office and compare it to where it is now
You mean the exact same thing he did when running for office the first time? How hypocritical of me..
You could just agree that it's a poor way to *** a president's personal performance, regardless of who uses it.

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Two, which is more accurate, is to add up the budget deficits from his own initiatives (and then not ignore the GOP controlled House, which refuses to decrease the absurdly high military budget).
That would have to be done for the entire time the DEM house was in charge for Bush then. Which is what the Republicans at the time tried to point out and zero Obamabots listened.. But hey, it's all Bushes fault anyways right!
I'm arguing against your claim of Obama being directly responsible for the increase of the debt. Shifting the focus to Bush doesn't support your claim, he's a very easy target. Bush brought about the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, tax breaks (the $600 for all didn't do ***), the Bankruptcy Prevention Act (contributing to the financial crisis). He also had a considerable amount of heads up regarding bin Laden but did nothing with it. I will grant that there was some debt caused by Hurricane Katrina though.

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As far as unemployment, it's at 4.9%, which is outstanding.
So is the record breaking 90+ million people out of the workforce.. Not counting underemployed. Keep quoting that unemployment number though.. Makes you look smart.
What is the 90+ million people figure? Who does that represent? Where are you getting that number from? Is it retirees as Kyte mentioned? Why can't you explain anything or cite sources? The 4.9% came from the Department of Labor, which I linked but you removed that for some reason. Read the pdf.

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What the *** is your argument here? Can you elaborate beyond ambiguous ragging on Obama and the public in general? If you can't, I'm gonna throw a silly gif your way since you're clearly not interested in discussing the campaign weaknesses of the Republican candidates
I'm in full agreement the Republican candidates have massive campaign weaknesses..
Getting the people that are pissed off at the Establishment and don't vote should be the number one priority. Not minority groups, they are lost to the democrat party of low-information voters.
I agree with the first two sentances, but treating minorities as low-information voters that automatically vote Democratic is ignorant and racist as hell. The Republican candidates could have attracted minorities if they actually had platforms that addressed disparity and had campaigned better.

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How can you possibly be intelligent enough to understand this.
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I will more than agree that the party is far from perfect, and the only reason I've registered as one is to vote in the primaries. If you observe the history of the party, there's actually a paradigm shift that came when Carter was elected, which continued with Clinton and to some extent, Obama: Prior Democrats (FDR, LBJ) were thoroughly in favor of socialist programs, while Carter and Clinton were, economically speaking, more in line with Reagan (see: Glass-Steagall). This is one way to view the Clinton and Sanders race (regarding domestic affairs), with Clinton being more like Carter and her husband, and Sanders working like FDR and LBJ.
But fail so horribly at understanding this.
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Feel free to exemplify how voting Democrat causes those things.
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I cannot for the life of me understand why people want to give away their freedoms, liberty, and 50%+ of their income to the government.
You haven't exemplified where "50%+ of their income to the government" is coming from. Even Sanders' tax plan doesn't go nearly that high, and the net gains greatly outweigh the tax increase.

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But the focus of these taxes (which skew very heavily towards the wealthy and light on the poor) improves public sector entities like our schools, health care, and infrastructure. Why do you have a problem with improving those things? Unless you're insanely wealthy
Because I understand how the economy is suppose to work in a Capitalist Nation? You realize that all those things are funded right now and don't need anymore taxes to be efficient? Get the government out of it and free up the tax money they siphon off the programs already in place!
I think I used my Homer gif too soon. You apparently don't understand the state of our education and infrastructure. Likewise, we're hemorrhaging money through health care by relying more on treatment than prevention, ie: people going to the ER for problems they could have avoided through healthier living, which having a primary care doctor (which requires insurance) would greatly assist with.

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(and I suspect you aren't because you post a lot on a forum for a video game you don't even play)
You would be somewhat right. I'm not rich, and I'm not poor. I have been poor and I have been pretty well off.. And I'm only 33.. Right now I am semi-retired. You know why? Because Capitalism! Hard work! Making smart decisions despite the Government doing their damnedest to regulate me out of business!
Since I don't know you, I can't comment on your own life (also, I don't care). But you have to be pretty naive to think succeeding in a capitalist society is just a matter of hard work and smart decisions. There are brilliant and hard working people who have no success for any number of possible reasons that are out of their control.

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As for taking away liberties and freedoms, what is your argument here? Cuz Democrats sure as hell aren't taking our civil liberties.
http://pudge.net/liberty.html
And that is just under Obama...
Most of those things are definitely net gains, some are misconceptions or have nothing to do with freedoms, and the site doesn't really argue why these are supposed to be bad. It's also from 2009 and thus not appreciating positive results from some of these action, while offering a bunch of dead links. I addressed most of these above anyway.

Altimaomega said: »
Also, I just read that the Californian city of San Diego tried banning the term Founding Fathers.. Any city worker caught saying/using it would be "disciplined" .. Luckily the Mayor leans Republican (although is most likely RINO) put an end to it. I would be guessing how it got put into any kind of rule/law, but I'd imagine a Republican had nothing to do with it and a democrat was grinning ear to ear.
Not only are our 1st amendment rights getting trampled on, so are our founding fathers.
Is this your best argument? You didn't even link what you read. This falls into the category of "dumb ***that some idiot in California is doing", nobody here gives any *** about this go-nowhere story. I'm talking serious liberties like gay marriage.



I'm having to type way too much responding to your crap.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 17:19:21
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Nausi, if anyone's breaking the law here, it's the congressional republicans in their outright refusal to do the duties they've been tasked with carrying out, such as currently.
What in the hell are you talking about? How can they break any law when they are not even in D.C. right now. I know the government is evil but damn.

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They're basically using the constitution as a doormat.
How exactly? What you say after this has nothing to do with congress at all. It is actually Obama that would be using the Constitution as a doormat. Since he wouldn't even give congress the chance to do the job they have been appointed by the people to do.

He would be overriding the checks and balances put in place. Sure he can probably legally do it, but it would be political suicide the only people he would please are hardcore liberals. Thus continuing to divide the American people.
 
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-02-14 17:30:14
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Gonna let my gal Liz Wo do the talkin':
Elizabeth Warren said:
The sudden death of Justice Scalia creates an immediate vacancy on the most important court in the United States.

Senator McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes.

Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says the President of the United States nominates justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. I can't find a clause that says "...except when there's a year left in the term of a Democratic President."

Senate Republicans took an oath just like Senate Democrats did. Abandoning the duties they swore to uphold would threaten both the Constitution and our democracy itself. It would also prove that all the Republican talk about loving the Constitution is just that — empty talk.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 17:40:25
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
What is the 90+ million people figure? Who does that represent? Where are you getting that number from? Is it retirees as Kyte mentioned? Why can't you explain anything or cite sources? The 4.9% came from the Department of Labor, which I linked but you removed that for some reason. Read the pdf.
If you collect SS, don't collect unemployment and don't have a job, it must be because you're retired.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 17:43:20
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There is no time limit stipulation on the congressional responsibility to deliberate a SJC nomination.

Warren doesn't know ***, but that's hardly surprising. Must be those "high cheekbones".
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-14 17:45:05
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The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 17:47:57
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Why is this so hard to understand. It is the President and only the President that can nominate, that is his job. THEN, the it is Congresses job to confirm the nomination if they deem the nominee fit for the position, they do not have to confirm anyone!

This is Not Hard.. Why are you sheep only looking at the first part and ignoring the second!?! Oh.. Because politics.

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random hypocritical nonsense

You lost me when you started saying everything is made for white males and then called me racist.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 17:48:29
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Altimaomega said: »
The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.

The story is that a lame duck president wants to change the fragile balance of the court.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 17:50:54
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.

Oh look Pleebo quoting me out of context.. /yawn
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 17:52:19
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Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.

Oh look Pleebo quoting me out of context.. /yawn
typical pleebo delucionalism
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-14 18:24:51
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.

Oh look Pleebo quoting me out of context.. /yawn
Um, how is that out of context?

There hasn't been a nomination yet. However, Republicans have outright said they'll block anyone but somehow Obama is playing politics. How many cans of spray paint must one inhale to reach that conclusion?
 
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-02-14 18:28:56
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random hypocritical nonsense
You lost me when you started saying everything is made for white males and then called me racist.
I'm pointing out disparity, while you're bitching like a dude who hates the blue shell in Mario Kart.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 18:43:13
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I see everyone is busting out the personal attacks, insults, and trying to put words in our mouth. We must be onto something Nausi.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-14 18:57:28
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
The only thing stopping Obama from appointing a moderate that can pass unanimously is politics. The same thing the democrats are bashing the Republicans for using to block his liberal nominations.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
What politics? He hasn't nominated anyone yet. The only story so far is the typical Republican obstructionism.

Oh look Pleebo quoting me out of context.. /yawn
Um, how is that out of context?

There hasn't been a nomination yet. However, Republicans have outright said they'll block anyone but somehow Obama is playing politics. How many cans of spray paint must one inhale to reach that conclusion?
From the man who no doubt thinks sotomayor, ginsburg, and kagen are moderates.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-14 19:18:18
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What is moon man? Plus you really need to stop assuming I listen to anyone..

But that would take away from all of your posts, since you do not rely on anything other than assumptions and insults.
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So a bunch of non-answers. K.
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