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By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-03-05 20:10:17
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Title Edit: T1 Abyssea* VNM upgrading question

I read on wiki somewhere that it says anyone in the party/alliance has a chance that their T1 Abyssite will upgrade from a T1 kill regardless of who pops the T1 VNM.

Is this true?

If this is true, then does the person(s) in question need to be within exp range for an upgrade, or can they be anywhere in the zone?

Also, can their T1 Key Item be upgraded from a T1 kill that was popped by someone with a T2 or higher Key Item?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-03-05 20:12:18
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Its bullshit.
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-03-05 20:17:20
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Bahamut.Bojack said:
Title Edit: T1 Abyssea* VNM upgrading question

I read on wiki somewhere that it says anyone in the party/alliance has a chance that their T1 Abyssite will upgrade from a T1 kill regardless of who pops the T1 VNM.

Is this true?

If this is true, then does the person(s) in question need to be within exp range for an upgrade, or can they be anywhere in the zone?

Also, can their T1 Key Item be upgraded from a T1 kill that was popped by someone with a T2 or higher Key Item?
I know for certain you need to be in exp range to acquire the key item. Found out the hard way lol only Atma are immune to this

But no if you have a tier II key item already in Abyssea zones you can keep popping a tier I over and over with no risk of upgrading.

If your asking "can you hold a tier I tier II and tier III key items at the same time" then yes, you can
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-03-05 20:31:34
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Bahamut.Bojack said:
Title Edit: T1 Abyssea* VNM upgrading question

I read on wiki somewhere that it says anyone in the party/alliance has a chance that their T1 Abyssite will upgrade from a T1 kill regardless of who pops the T1 VNM.

Is this true?

If this is true, then does the person(s) in question need to be within exp range for an upgrade, or can they be anywhere in the zone?

Also, can their T1 Key Item be upgraded from a T1 kill that was popped by someone with a T2 or higher Key Item?
I know for certain you need to be in exp range to acquire the key item. Found out the hard way lol only Atma are immune to this

But no if you have a tier II key item already in Abyssea zones you can keep popping a tier I over and over with no risk of upgrading.

If your asking "can you hold a tier I tier II and tier III key items at the same time" then yes, you can

No, the last part I was asking if someone with only a T1 KI can have it upgraded from a T1 Kill that was popped by someones T2 KI
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-03-05 20:39:36
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Bahamut.Bojack said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Bahamut.Bojack said:
Title Edit: T1 Abyssea* VNM upgrading question

I read on wiki somewhere that it says anyone in the party/alliance has a chance that their T1 Abyssite will upgrade from a T1 kill regardless of who pops the T1 VNM.

Is this true?

If this is true, then does the person(s) in question need to be within exp range for an upgrade, or can they be anywhere in the zone?

Also, can their T1 Key Item be upgraded from a T1 kill that was popped by someone with a T2 or higher Key Item?
I know for certain you need to be in exp range to acquire the key item. Found out the hard way lol only Atma are immune to this

But no if you have a tier II key item already in Abyssea zones you can keep popping a tier I over and over with no risk of upgrading.

If your asking "can you hold a tier I tier II and tier III key items at the same time" then yes, you can

No, the last part I was asking if someone with only a T1 KI can have it upgraded from a T1 Kill that was popped by someones T2 KI
If the first guy popped a T1 VNM and died then the second guy claimed after it went yellow the 2nd guy would get the key item instead. But I can't think of a different way to share like that.

You might be thinking of echelons or the person telling you this stuff might be. Echelons can be gotten by any alliance that engaged a NM at any time. So if your NM went yellow and my alliance fought for a second, then you reclaimed it and killed. both full alliances would all get echelons from it's death.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-03-05 20:42:38
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I think you might have got lost on my question somewhere in the OP.
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-03-05 20:51:28
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Bahamut.Bojack said:
I think you might have got lost on my question somewhere in the OP.
It sounded like you asked if someone can have their key item upgraded by killing someone else's popped NM which is a definite no without the NM going passive. That's like me popping Chloris and you getting Lacovie's trigger just because I already had it. Then I gave the only example I could think of regarding sharing key items.
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By Lakshmi.Mabrook 2011-03-05 20:58:22
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
only Atma are immune to this
Abyssite too, I think; not talking about VNM abyssite though.
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-03-05 21:00:34
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
only Atma are immune to this
Abyssite too, I think.
You're right I remember a mule zoning in and getting Ovni's abyssite once. Most likely it's still the same now
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-03-05 21:08:01
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If I got this right, he's asking if someone other than the T1 VNM poper can get the Abyssite KI to change from T1 to T2.
In that case, I'd say no. As far as I know it's Your pop, Your Abyssite, and you won't be getting a T2 VNM kill to magically upgrade someone's T1 KI into a T2 either.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-03-05 21:10:43
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Bahamut.Bojack said:
Title Edit: T1 Abyssea* VNM upgrading question

I read on wiki somewhere that it says anyone in the party/alliance has a chance that their T1 Abyssite will upgrade from a T1 kill regardless of who pops the T1 VNM.

Is this true?

If this is true, then does the person(s) in question need to be within exp range for an upgrade, or can they be anywhere in the zone? If person A pops it and person Person B is on the other side of the zone, can Person B still receive the upgrade (Both in the same party/alliance)?

Also, can their T1 Key Item be upgraded from a T1 kill that was popped by someone with a T2 or higher Key Item? If Person A (with a Colorful Demuline Abyssea) pops a Tier 1 Abyssea VNM, can Person B who only has a Clear Demuline Abyssite recieve an upgrade (again, both in the same party/alliance)?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-05 21:13:23
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You got the right answer on the 2nd post

Asura.Ludoggy said:
Its bullshit.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2011-03-05 21:14:27
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Odin.Sheelay said:
If I got this right, he's asking if someone other than the T1 VNM poper can get the Abyssite KI to change from T1 to T2.
In that case, I'd say no. As far as I know it's Your pop, Your Abyssite, and you won't be getting a T2 VNM kill to magically upgrade someone's T1 KI into a T2 either.

Yes, I was asking that. My reason for asking is this quote from the wiki page for Meanderer:

"Alliance members possessing a Clear Demuline Abyssite have a chance to receive a Colorful demilune abyssite when it's defeated. "
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-03-05 21:14:48
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
You got the right answer on the 2nd post

Asura.Ludoggy said:
Its bullshit.

Pretty much the best reply that was given, and it was the very 1st one.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-03-05 21:17:12
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VNMs immediately disappear when everyone with hate has died thus it's impossible to steal someone's vnm and get your abyssite upgraded. You can steal a vnm if it unclaims, but you won't get the key item. The popper will still get it if they're alive.

And to contribute, no, only the popper will ever get their abyssite upgraded period, even if another person steals it when it goes yellow (not deaggro).
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By Leviathan.Mitsurughy 2011-03-28 04:16:12
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OK so i'm at 0/100 with last count.

Is this about pure luck?
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By Caitsith.Linear 2011-03-28 04:27:02
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Pure shitty luck, but yes.
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By Bismarck.Cerelyn 2011-03-28 04:39:43
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Its low droprate. Keep at it.
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By Titan.Knumskull 2011-03-28 06:22:42
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vnm only upgrade when you don't whant it to upgrade
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2011-03-28 06:32:32
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Titan.Knumskull said:
vnm only upgrade when you don't whant it to upgrade
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*Going to upgrade for a T3 VNM* > Go 1/20
*Getting pearl light for the group* > 1/2...
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-04-09 19:39:28
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I actually made that edit on ffxiclopedia after people in my party (during a VNMII run in abyssea - altepa) had their abyssites change from Colorful Demilune Abyssite to Emerald Demilune Abyssite during Koios runs during MY pops. I spammed the NM for SMN body seals and the members in my parties confirmed that they did in fact get upgraded abyssites. I've also farmed tier IIs with old linkshell buddies with them or myself getting tier IIs from us just farming tier Is together.
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-04-09 19:41:46
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
only Atma are immune to this
Abyssite too, I think; not talking about VNM abyssite though.
I found out the hard way recently that in abyssea Battlefields nothing extends past the fight for key items. if you are not in the battlefield you will not acquire the atma. being in zone with visitation wont help > <